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    Shinji in canon was basically screwed over in the War because he doesn't have the skills of a magus to help him in a fight, and he doesn't have the kind of personality that lends itself well to negotiating or to admitting when he's in a situation beyond his control. The only reason he really survived UBW was because Shirou insisted on saving him.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RadiantBeam View Post
    Shinji in canon was basically screwed over in the War because he doesn't have the skills of a magus to help him in a fight, and he doesn't have the kind of personality that lends itself well to negotiating or to admitting when he's in a situation beyond his control. The only reason he really survived UBW was because Shirou insisted on saving him.
    I though Rin did most of the saving there.

    She did on the spot neural surgery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amado View Post
    rather late on the shinji discussion, but I think il add another reason why shinji's not really looked by other people as redeemable: its because how incompetent and weak shinji was portrayed.

    let shinji keep his character traits/personality, but add certain scenes of him being a magnificent bastard/being successful/having some actual talent and he'd gain at least a bit more fans. to put it, the negatives greatly outweigh the positives regarding shinji. well, at least if you didnt check the manga or see HA.
    Yeah, it's not so much that he is despicable but that he's not successful or has no flashy scenes. Otherwise he would be more like Kotomine or Gilgamesh. Also, he is very petty so he has less grand, epic desires. Instead of UNLEASH ALL EVIL ON THE WORLD it's "this girl isn't into me FUCK THAT BITCH."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DezoPenguin View Post
    Possibly since Shinji was considerably less of a...pick your adjective...in the manga, it was possible that they did some variation the workaround discussed earlier in this thread, where Rider was given over to Shinji to command in the War but Sakura remained her Master proper, which in turn allowed Rider to be stronger and have lots more mana to burn?

    Doubtful, because then he'd have both Rider's prana to burn and essentially Sakura's, so draining the school would be a moot point and would be stupid strategically, because people would investigate. And unlike Caster he doesn't have a powerful stronghold.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiden View Post
    I though Rin did most of the saving there.

    She did on the spot neural surgery.
    Rin did the actual saving. However, she wouldn't have gone out of her way to do it if it wasn't for Shirou.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altima of the Gates View Post
    Doubtful, because then he'd have both Rider's prana to burn and essentially Sakura's, so draining the school would be a moot point and would be stupid strategically, because people would investigate. And unlike Caster he doesn't have a powerful stronghold.
    Couldn't they have just thought "we can't beat Saber without going all out" (which is true) and decided to burn some now so they can win and get all the mana they want later?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    Couldn't they have just thought "we can't beat Saber without going all out" (which is true) and decided to burn some now so they can win and get all the mana they want later?

    While that has merit, it also doesn't take away from the danger of doing something this ostentatious when Rider can drain people in their sleep. Further, Sakura would know if Rider did that and order her to stop, regardless of what Shinji wanted.



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    Couldn't she just do that in canon FSN.
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    And now you know why Shinji isn't the best strategist.
    Why almost kill the school when you can just auction off Rider as a sleep therapist? Boom, infinite mana.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Altima of the Gates View Post
    And now you know why Shinji isn't the best strategist.
    Why almost kill the school when you can just auction off Rider as a sleep therapist? Boom, infinite mana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altima of the Gates View Post
    And now you know why Shinji isn't the best strategist.
    Why almost kill the school when you can just auction off Rider as a sleep therapist? Boom, infinite mana.
    Ego > strategy
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