Standardized Servant Rankings (Create-a-Servant)(fanfic only, not Nasu's true system)

[ltfrankie]

So why is this and Fate/Roleplay in fanfiction?

They aren't fanfictions.

At best you could consider them both doujin projects or be put in a general board.

[Seika]

Personally, I'm not sure Ea and Avalon should be ranked EX.

OK, now this really has to get shoved into the fanfics section.

[I3uster]

So why is this and Fate/Roleplay in fanfiction?

They aren't fanfictions.

At best you could consider them both doujin projects or be put in a general board.

Fate/Roleplay (if it is what it sounds like) should be in the RP section :V

[TheRoar]

The thing about Avalon and Ea are while they have sure cut effects is that the method they do it is what gives them EX rank. Here is a quote from the wiki that describes Ea's nature.

"Grinding at the laws of space with its power, it creates a rip in space that extends from not only the earth, but also to the sky and atmosphere. It is a crack that distorts space to pierce the very nature of the World itself to show the "Truth.""

That is why Ea is considered EX rank, because it does not just destroy that which you could normally with time and effort but the very nature of the world itself.

Whereas Avalon doesn't 'defend' in the typical sense but transfers the user into the conceptual realm of Avalon.

"It is the greatest protection in the world that goes beyond defending or reflecting, completely isolating its user in a world completely separate from the regular world....
The individual is shielded from all destructive interference in the physical realm, transliners from parallel worlds, and multidimensional communication as far as the sixth dimension."

That's why its EX rank, its all in the manner it achieves its objective other then the objective itself.

But you just defined what Ea and Avalon do; they cannot be called undefined. We look through the scouter, and it tells us that their power level is "beyond comparison", no question.

Look at UBW, and the scouter will say "do you want swords with that? We've got mundanes, black keys, Kanshou & Bakuya, Caliburn, and imperfect Excalibur on the menu, as well as Ea-induced headaches."

Edit: Hmm, no, that's not an accurate metaphore for UBW. More like, the scouter says "depends; with which swords?".

[KAIZA]

Going by your scouter comparison: Scan UBW, and the scouter will give out the power level of each sword individually. Scan Ea or Avalon? The scouter will outright glitch or explode. They are outside the measuring scale. EX does not mean 'absurdly powerful', it means 'does not compute'. Like, out of a scale of 1 to 10, EX is pineapple/10.

Here's a post about this matter.

[TheRoar]

But I can predict Ea and Avalon ahead of time. If you come against me with one of them, I'll think "I'm fucked."

If you use UBW, I'll think "depending on the stuff he's got there, I might be fucked - perhaps even more fucked than I would have been against Ea or Avalon, if he's done the impossible and somehow got something stronger then them in there... or perhaps he never saw a sword in his life and his Reality Marble is empty."

[Seika]

People have got very attached to that interpretation, when it's simply not true.

EX is in a league of its own, representing powerful to the extent of rendering comparisons meaningless.

So, sure, don't try and put a number to it, but use a comparison which also represents EX's strength.

[TheRoar]

So, sure, don't try and put a number to it, but use a comparison which also represents EX's strength.

I just want to differentiate between Ea and Avalon, which are "power unequaled" and stuff like UBW, which is "power unmeasurable".

The solution is obvious: create a new category, which I'll call S-rank for now, for effects with power that is measured as trumping everything else.

[Lycodrake]

And this is why this is in the fanfic category.
lol "S rank" in Nasuverse. XP

[TheRoar]

Yeah, that'll do until I convert the ranking system to mostly-numerical values.

[Spinach]

Maximum fanfiction forum ITT

[Kelnish]

Aren't the rankings more associated with the complexity of the divine mystery rather than the sheer power? Avalon functions as a product of the Fae's magic and hops dimensions, thus the EX rank. EA shows the truth behind Gaea's reality marble, thus the EX rank. Ionian Hetorai is an approximation of the Third on a massive scale, thus the EX rank. UBW by itself is fairly impressive, but is still within the realm of magecraft and only as complex as the greatest weapon it can reproduce.

[TheRoar]

Aren't the rankings more associated with the complexity of the divine mystery rather than the sheer power?

Maybe in a beauty contest.
Remember, Herkserker's God Hand explicity says that even if an effect destroys the world, it won't do jack to Herk without enough oomph behind it.

Avalon functions as a product of the Fae's magic and hops dimensions, thus the EX rank. EA shows the truth behind Gaea's reality marble, thus the EX rank. Ionian Hetorai is an approximation of the Third on a massive scale, thus the EX rank. UBW by itself is fairly impressive, but is still within the realm of magecraft and only as complex as the greatest weapon it can reproduce.

You just clearly defined the awesome powers of Avalon, Ea, and IH. But UBW is not so static; one day Shirou may have only the Torashinai, and the next he might theoretically recieve the memories Ea's creation and be able to understand it enough to Trace it.

[I3uster]

You just clearly defined the awesome powers of Avalon, Ea, and IH. But UBW is not so static; one day Shirou may have only the Torashinai, and the next he might theoretically recieve the memories Ea's creation and be able to understand it enough to Trace it.

And then Tohno Shiki killed ORT.

[TheRoar]

And then Tohno Shiki killed ORT.

That would be another S-rank effect: "anything capable of death that has its dot stabbed dies, unless an S-rank effect counters it."

[ImperialOrder]

I dunno about killing ORT but Shiki can definitely kill servants

[TheRoar]

When he cuts them, sure. But such a situation can be difficult to arrange.

[Spinach]

That would be another S-rank effect: "anything capable of death that has its dot stabbed dies, unless an S-rank effect counters it."

There is no S rank what are you doinggggg

[TheRoar]

There is no S rank what are you doinggggg

Optimizing.

[Kelnish]

Maybe in a beauty contest.
Remember, Herkserker's God Hand explicity says that even if an effect destroys the world, it won't do jack to Herk without enough oomph behind it.



You just clearly defined the awesome powers of Avalon, Ea, and IH. But UBW is not so static; one day Shirou may have only the Torashinai, and the next he might theoretically recieve the memories Ea's creation and be able to understand it enough to Trace it.

Then on that day UBW would become an EX rank phantasm. Today is not that day. Ex rank already covers what you're trying to say it doesn't. I'm not sure if troll or just being difficult.