Fate/Extra CCC Translations [SPOILERS]

[Sherrinford]

[True Demon]

Now that's confusing...

A certain person reborn in the true route of CCC, despite reaching this region, fell from the seat of God because of a trivial mistake.

?

Oh and if a person who doesn't dream go in, all he'll see in the mausoleum is a huge sun.

Eh? "Dream"?

[Laith]

?

[I'm guessing its talking about Kiara]

[Sherrinford]

Aaaaaah.

Thanks!

[Seika]

Still organising.

So to follow up on the demon stuff

All the World's Desire (Angra Mainy)/CCC
The Noble Phantasm of the demon-transformed Sesshouin Kiara (as in Majinka like what was mentioned in the True Demon dictionary entry just like I thought).

Sesshouin Kiara absorbed two Alter Egos and transformed into a demon (someone, come up with something snappy for majinka plz) through the mooncell.
While she was reborn into the earth mother, accepting all the desires of humanity, she was also at the same time a sacrifice to all the desires of humanity.

Her existence is similar to a certain man-made demon who had once been demonized and celebrated as a sacrifice to prove the evil of mankind.

Turning into the floodgates of all the desires of humanity, she ushers the souls of people into her body by Code Cast Banshokuyuutai and creates a whirl of billions of pleasure.
The whirl of pleasure melts sapient beings and transforms their lives into the sublime in the twinkling of an eye.
It is the birth of an ephemeral but eternal Land of Bliss.

This whirl of pleasure works on any sapient being without exception, no matter how different the structure of their intelligence is.
This is not a noble phantasm limited to the Earth.


Oh and

The names demons, demonic incarnation are used but they are no different than higher dimensional beings from a different civilization, different planet.

Demonic incarnation should be demonic transformation (the Majinka thing).

[YeOfLittleFaith]

True Demon (真性悪魔) and Incarnate Demon (受肉した魔) are two terms which have always designated the same thing in the Nasuverse. Nothing new here. But they have nothing to do with Primordial Demon (原初の悪魔) and this text doesn't even mention Primordial Demon.

It confuses me because 1. the text is about True Demons but mentions Imaginary Demons as well, and 2. what it says does not sound at all like the Oni etc, and reminds me much more of the alleged nature of Primordial Demons and their status as one of the strongest beings in the Nasuverse.

[You]

Now that's confusing...
Eh? "Dream"?

IIRC True Ancestors don't dream, neither do Servants.

[Sherrinford]

Ok, but then, what do True Ancestors have to do with Casko Divine Mode?

[food]

Ok, but then, what do True Ancestors have to do with Casko Divine Mode?

Nothing at all?

[Sherrinford]

You brought that up, no need to be snarky at me.

[Reiu]

Transcribed bit pertaining to the Zero Model that didn't make it in time for the "origin or Origin" debate.

―――空気が張り詰めていく。

この先はあらゆる装飾、
あらゆる肉付きを廃した”原初”の地点。

ギルガメッシュという存在がこの宇宙に誕生する要因にして、
ギルガメッシュという存在が最終的に行き着く極点。

即ち、ゼロである。

「我が見届けるのはここまでだ。
その先に在るものは死を知る前の、
野生のまま生きた男」

あれほどはっきりと聞こえていたギルガメッシュの声が、
途切れ途切れに聞こえてくる。

あの地点に近づけば近づくほど、
「現在」のギルガメッシュは干渉できなくなるのだろう。

「剥き出しの神性と交わす言葉は無い。
見事、打ち破ってみせよ」

On a side note, translation drafts for Gil's first and second SG conversations are done. I just need to edit them so they have at least some semblance of readability. Expect them this week or the next.

[peanuts]

Transcribed bit pertaining to the Zero Model that didn't make it in time for the "origin or Origin" debate.

wakarimasen lol.

[Ossan99]

Transcribed bit pertaining to the Zero Model that didn't make it in time for the "origin or Origin" debate.

On a side note, translation drafts for Gil's first and second SG conversations are done. I just need to edit them so they have at least some semblance of readability. Expect them this week or the next.

You mean you would like to have a debate which is better "origin" or "Origin" from Japanese　word of "原初"?　Are these critical difference of meaning in native english?

[SeiKeo]

One would be a proper noun, yes.

[Kotonoha]

You mean you would like to have a debate which is better "origin" or "Origin" from Japanese　word of "原初"?　Are these critical difference of meaning in native english?

It is the same word, but when people talk about "Origin" in Type-Moon works, they usually mean 起源.

[peanuts]

You mean you would like to have a debate which is better "origin" or "Origin" from Japanese　word of "原初"?　Are these critical difference of meaning in native english?

No, this wasn't a translation debate, it was one about whether the 「原初の力」 and 「万物を生み出した根源」 in CCC are the same as or similar to the 「根源の渦」 in Fate and Tsukihime.

[Ossan99]

No, this wasn't a translation debate, it was one about whether the 「原初の力」 and 「万物を生み出した根源」 in CCC are the same as or similar to the 「根源の渦」 in Fate and Tsukihime.

Thank you for your correction. It is more constructive debate than I thought.

[Reiu]

Might as well move a snippet from the other thread here. (I use the MC's default name, Kishinami Hakuno, that you get from pressing the select button in the enter name screen.)

“......Hakuno.
Unfortunately, there is no seasoning in my vault that can make this palatable.

There is, however, an herb that can ready your stomach,
though it has the drawback of causing permanent ageusia upon consumption...
Well?”

Gilgamesh...
Thank you. Your thoughtfulness stills my trembling.

But I must vanquish this by my own hand...I mean mouth.

After all, Elizabeth prepared these dishes for Kishinami Hakuno.

I understand that an arduous battle awaits me.
That’s why, when the day comes that I finish this meal―――
won’t you come home with me to the countryside
and marry me?

“I applaud your resolve.
Now best that

death flag

fate of death

that you have set up yourself.”

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EDIT: full version of Gilgamesh's SG 2 conversation (including the Enkidu flashback) here.

[Paitouch]

And here I thought we were on the same page about Francis Xavier being the one true name.

[Seika]

You remonstrate with someone because it's intransitive. I guess you could have rebuke there if you wanted it.

For purview, I'd have suggested 'realm', though would have the problem of potentially mixing it up with Gil's real realm. (real realm? ugh). His reckoning, maybe?

[peanuts]

Couldn't you just use vision by itself?