Fire Emblem

[Bloble]

Prove it then Gau and post your favorite Dubya meme to show you know the 2000s.

Ah the good old days when Colbert was cool and everyone loved to dunk on Bush. Good times, good times.

[Spinach]

You don't need to have been a teen in the 2000s to have an informed perspective on that era of video games. Also, we had a multi-page argument about this in another thread, and I am in no mood to repeat that.

I accept your apology.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Ah the good old days when Colbert was cool and everyone loved to dunk on Bush. Good times, good times.

Now the Colbert days I do know of, and I remember the tail end of the Report personally.

[Snow]

Generational clashes in our very own Fire Emblem thread.

Speaking of which, I hope the kids system never comes back to the series that shit's kinda weird to me.

[Five_X]

I feel like it won't come back, at least not in a non-remake title. 3H kind of closed the discourse on it by being a story about why you shouldn't do eugenics on your kids to get them magic powers.

[Sesto]

please give a FE6+FE7 remake with children system, thanks

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Generational clashes in our very own Fire Emblem thread.

Speaking of which, I hope the kids system never comes back to the series that shit's kinda weird to me.

Same. Genealogy did it well, Awakening did only find, but then Fates shit the bed on that one.

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I feel like it won't come back, at least not in a non-remake title. 3H kind of closed the discourse on it by being a story about why you shouldn't do eugenics on your kids to get them magic powers.

Yup.

[Petrikow]

I feel like it won't come back, at least not in a non-remake title. 3H kind of closed the discourse on it by being a story about why you shouldn't do eugenics on your kids to get them magic powers.

How will the Clock Tower ever recover

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Clock Tower has been able to ignore it for centuries, they should be fine.

[LegalLoliLover]

Generational clashes in our very own Fire Emblem thread.

Speaking of which, I hope the kids system never comes back to the series that shit's kinda weird to me.

Which is ironic because the recent Dynasty Warriors Empires games (namely 8) just started with a child inheritance system.

How will the Clock Tower ever recover

Infuse kids with power after they're born, of course. Yes, Hanneman.
Divine blessings are a lie; there are only magical tools.
"Forbidden" arts are a lie; all magic is tools to be used...
Also, would "is" or "are" fit better for that last sentence? And yes, I was referencing Skyrim's Phinis Gestor's thoughts on necromancy there.

[Snow]

I feel like it won't come back, at least not in a non-remake title. 3H kind of closed the discourse on it by being a story about why you shouldn't do eugenics on your kids to get them magic powers.

They could bring it back now that I think about it but only if it means the ante is upped on dysfunction and drama. You can minmax your kids if you want but they hate you and have depression.

[Deathhappens]

I feel like it won't come back, at least not in a non-remake title. 3H kind of closed the discourse on it by being a story about why you shouldn't do eugenics on your kids to get them magic powers.

I'll quote this again when the next game has not just kids, but grandkids thrown in.

I can even read the title from here: "Fire Emblem: Generations".

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I don't see a problem with it, personally, telling a story with characters that grow old, marry and have children is inherently more involved than a story about characters that remain static throughout (or grow slightly longer hair and absolutely no beards, as in 3H). Fates had a stupid take on it with "time-warping otherrealms that exist purely because Awakenings had time travelling children and will not otherwise be explained or explored whatsoever", but Awakenings did it decently well and a game that runs with the theme can certainly refine it (provided IS don't get hit by scope creep again).

[Mattias]

It's probably because most stories shouldn't last long enough for the characters to grow that old. It works for a series of stories, where it takes place over many adventures and years, but if a single adventure takes that long then it makes the heroes seem like they're dragging their feet. You've got like a year tops for any given plot.

[Deathhappens]

Wildermyth does it passably well by just timeskipping a lot between chapters. One year adventure, five years timeskip, couple years longer adventure, decade timeskip, your children have joined the adventurer band now. Another adventure, another timeskip, your original characters have retired (if they're still alive) and you're working exclusively with the second generation. Maintain a balance between children of older characters and new recruits to keep things fresh (and avoid inbreeding) and you're set for a long time. Of course a Fire Emblem game probably won't go quite this long but I could easily see a three-part story between OG/second gen/second gen+kids run over say, twenty years or so. Heck, considering the typical "ancient conspiracy/dragon cult/evil dragon that has existed since the dawn of time" last boss that FE writers love so much it's kind of absurd how most of them end up being taken out in the space of a couple years.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

A lot of the buildup for those bosses takes place in backstory, and besides, Genealogy did the children quite well because the first generation actually failed and died, necessitating their kids to take up the torch some 20 years later after the continent of Jugdral was put through untold suffering. More of that would be a decent way to handle it. Or on a less dark note, as you hinted, Deathhappens, it could take decades for multiple generations of characters to actually piece together the ancient conspiracy, or take down one element at a time over each generation.

[GDB]

I ain't buying no musou spinoff, and it had better not be a Revelations-style golden route; that would invalidate the whole point of 3 Houses. I'll accept an alternate universe spinoff but that's all.

Didn't they call it a golden route? But it's fine, because it's an unobtainable route from the original as this appears to, at minimum, not have Byleth go to sleep.

Still not touching this.

Generational clashes in our very own Fire Emblem thread.

Speaking of which, I hope the kids system never comes back to the series that shit's kinda weird to me.

The children system is absolutely amazing when done right. Too bad only FE4 did it right.

please give a FE6+FE7 remake with children system, thanks

Same concept as FE4 children, I'd accept (and love) it.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

It's also an AU that seems to depart radically from canon in some aspects, so not a true Golden Route.

Also, I'd say Awakening did kids okay, and at least they played an important role in the plot. Fates, on the other hand...Heirs of Fate didn't come out soon enough, and even if it did, it could not save the concept as it was implemented there.

[Bloble]

It's probably because most stories shouldn't last long enough for the characters to grow that old. It works for a series of stories, where it takes place over many adventures and years, but if a single adventure takes that long then it makes the heroes seem like they're dragging their feet. You've got like a year tops for any given plot.

You realize Genealogy's first generation took place over literal years, right. Not even getting into the second generation.

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It's also an AU that seems to depart radically from canon in some aspects, so not a true Golden Route.

Also, I'd say Awakening did kids okay, and at least they played an important role in the plot. Fates, on the other hand...Heirs of Fate didn't come out soon enough, and even if it did, it could not save the concept as it was implemented there.

By "okay" you mean "completely optional and entirely unconnected to the story besides Lucina, with a very vague plot device as to how or why they went back in time"?

[Ratman]

I've read this extensive schizo theory I can no longer find, about Awakening actually being a big leadup to the rebirth of Medeus=Loptyr in the vessel of 'Marth' (=anticrhrist) which happens when Lucina takes off her mask and reveals her birthmark.

All the time travel nonsense afterwards and both maingames since is actually just a single nightmarish fever dream, as the forces of kaga are defeated and the age of dark waifu degeneracy descends upon the franchise.

[Mattias]

You realize Genealogy's first generation took place over literal years, right. Not even getting into the second generation.

NOPE! I'm one of those people FE fans hate that only came in for Awakening.