Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions IThough abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Anyways...
Der Frëischutz (I'm going to call him Max from now since it's shorter and doesn't trigger autocorrect) looks like an archetypical Archer; average stats but extremely powerful Noble Phantasms. I'm wondering: could Max Broken Phantasm Zamiel to throw it away? Or do what Diarmuid do with Gae Buidhe? That NP is pretty much a non-factor unless his Master is a massive dick, so he could just toss it and lie to his Master about only having six bullets ("since the Seventh belonged to the Devil, it is not truly my Noble Phantasm and as such has not been brought with me" or some other bullshit).
Also, could Max BP his first six bullets? Overcharge them with Mana like what EMIYA did with his sword-arrows? Would that increase the Mana capacity for each effect or would it just turn them into big bombs?
What does he use for regular, non-NP attacks? Regular bullets? Does he need to go to the gun shop after every fight for more ammo or can he make more bullets like how Arash in Fragments could make arrows out of mana?
Whether or not he'd be able to Break Zamiel, he wouldn't get out of its effects. There's no way to invoke it without bringing in old Nick as well. Since I never read Zero, I'm not sure what you mean with the Diarmuid comparison honestly. Do you mean hiding it from his Master? For one thing, they could still see it on his stat sheet...
I don't overcharging would work for the earlier bullets either. The way the bullets work already (releasing all pent-up Mana to actualize a given effect at the cost of destroying the bullet in question) already is like that of a Broken Phantasm, so I don't see how 'Breaking' them is going to make a difference. I guess he could add his own Mana to that of the bullet, but his Mana supply his low enough I can't see that even make much of a difference in terms of output.
For his regular attacks, he uses his hunting rifle and regular (non-magical) bullets. I don't imagine he has to worry about ammo though, so I guess you could imagine it as being something like Arash (or just all-purpose Hammer Space). May add something about that to the sheet under Equipment.
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By the way, did anybody notice the little joke I snuck in Der Fruischetz's sheet? It's under his third NP...
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Oh, I heard of that, I just didn't put it together with what you were saying. I admit not to have thought of that at all while making his sheet. I'd say he probably couldn't break Zamiel just for the reasons you gave (if he could, he almost assuredly would do so right away and then we'd have no drama of whether or not he'll be forced to use it). You could easily justify it too by saying that since it belonged to the Devil it's not truly 'his' and so it's not his authority to break it, or something to that nature. I guess he could still chuck it to the bottom of a river or something to more-or-less the same effect, though...
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Assassin
The Alder King
Class: Assassin
- Alternate Classes: Caster
Place of Origin: Germany
Alignment: Neutral Evil
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Parameters:
Strength: -
Endurance: E
Agility: A
Magic: C
Luck: A+
Noble Phantasm: B
Skills
Equipment:
- A crown and cape that he wears upon his person. Only visible to his targets.
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Well, that's a creepy as fuck Servant. When I saw the FC I thought you might be going for a more traditional 'fairy king' (like you mention he'd be other Classes) but this is far more interesting. I wasn't sure what to think about his null Strength parameter but it made total sense when I saw his Ghostly Presence Skill. He sounds like a very unconventional Servant, who others probably wouldn't even be aware of for most of the War. Imagine if Kirei had gotten him in the Fifth War instead of Thousand Faced Hassan! *shudders*
Nothing much I can think of to critique, although for some reason his Class, while given as Assassin in the giant bold text at the top, is given as Caster in the actual Class section. I presume you meant Assassin given the Class Skill and the fact that he has Caster as his alternate Class as well, though.
The Alder King... seems pretty baller to me. Fills the obligatory role of creepy freak in the war like Gilles or the Pale Rider. Very unconventional, I like.
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Class: Caster
True Name: Echidna
Alignment: Chaotic Evil
Place of Origin: Greece
Strength- A
Endurance- C
Agility- A+
Mana- A
Luck- B
NP- EX
Height/Weight: Variable
Likes: Family
Dislikes: Diminishment of power
Talent: Raising Children
Natural Enemy: The combined might of great heroes
Class Skills:
- Territory Creation (B) - Creation of a "Nest" equal to a Temple becomes possible.
- Item Construction (-) - Due to the user's Noble Phantasm, this skill has been made redundant.
Personal Skills:
- Blood-Sucking (B) - The act of absorbing another's blood to replenish their own health and physical strength. As the Rank raises, the power of absorption increase. The act of sucking blood. Additionally, this may apply the detrimental status effect of Seduction (Chaos). It has a low chance of being applied and affects both men and women.
- Divinity (E-) - The measure of whether one has Divine Spirit aptitude or not She is a child of Gaia and Tartarus. Although she has embraced her role as a monster, she maintains her divine heritage despite the fact it has been reduced to its lowest possible rank.
- Monstrous Strength (A+) - An ability possessed by monsters and beasts, temporary boost of the Strength parameter. At this rank, the boost is permanent.
- Pontia Theron: Conception of all Animals (A) - A skill that give the user the authority of the Earth Mother. Here, no monstrous beings are capable of defying her authority.
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So I was looking back on my Yamata-no-Orichi sheets and was wondering who could top him in power levels. Then I remembered the Mother of Monsters was a thing. And I haven't made any overpowered Casters. So viola.
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Well, she's powerful. I wonder, can the Caster Class even have stats that high normally? I thought the Class was inherently squishy and even a powerhouse hero would be nerfed just by being put it in it. But then again, there have been exceptions like Babbage and Geronimo. I like how you included the Potnia Theron Skill that BB had, only obviously more limited to not be totally game-breaking. Though when you say 'no monstrous beings can defy her authority' does that apply to Heroic Spirits with monstrous blood like Medusa?
Either way, she sounds very powerful, though I'd hesitate to be the Master that summons her... Death by snoo snoo, anyone?
Since i missed Der Freischutz: Covenant Of The Dark Huntsman is a good skill though frankly the name alone is enough for me to like it. Everything else seems solid apart from one thing really. The Zamiel Noble Phantasm, I'd be ok with instant death or something but erasure from the Throne of Heroes? Seems a little much in my opinion.
As for your thoughts on Echidna, considering Heracles alongside countless other heroes tried and failed to kill her this is one of the only times I would allow a Caster such high physical stats. As for the authority deal - no full blooded monsters (ie Orochi) can disobey her. Those like Medusa would just feel a very strong compulsion. As for 'Death by snoo snoo'... kinda. I wasn't sure to have it like what happens to bees (in this case a lethal localised mana explosion) or like black widow spiders (straight up cannibalism) so I took the easy route and made it ambiguous.
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Also on the subject of monsters - they're fun to make. Kinda surprised you haven't tried to do one yet Royd. Imagine... One of the heads of Yamata-no-Orochi... Manifesting as a cute dragon-girl...
You know you want to. Give in to the dark side.
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I already have with my Monster- Fenris sheet, actually. As for Orochi, your own take on him is pretty good, I dunno if I could come up with something more interesting.
ArcherThemeTrue Name- Drona
Alignment- Lawful Neutral
Place of Origin- India
Likes- Arjuna, His Family, Karna, Bhishma, The Pandavas
Dislikes- Tricks that go against Dharma, Drupada, Liars
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Stats-
Strength- B
Endurance- C
Agility-B
Mana- A
Luck- E
Noble Phantasm- EX
Class Skills-
Magic Resistance- C
Cancel spells with a chant below two verses. Cannot defend against Magecraft on the level of High-Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals.
Independent Action- A
It is possible to take action even without a Master. However, to use Noble Phantasms of great magical energy consumption, backup from the Master is necessary.
Personal Skills-
Divinity- A
The Avatar of Brihaspati and son of an Apsara
Military Tactics- A
Tactical knowledge used not for one-on-one combat situations, but for battles where many are mobilized. Bonus modifiers are provided during use of one's own Anti-Army Noble Phantasm or when dealing against an enemy Anti-Army Noble Phantasm. At this Rank, Archer gains a bonus to damage when fighting more than one opponent or while fighting with an ally.
Wisdom of the Guru- A++
With exception of those particular of certain heroes, almost all Skills can be displayed with a proficiency level of A~A+ Rank. Also, only towards those he has recognized as Princes, it is also possible to teach such Skills. During combat, a Skill that he often uses to enhance his arrows and create weapons out of blades of grass is Mana Burst (Flames)- A.
Noble Phantasms-
The Sage's Gift
Brahmanda Astra- A+
Anti-Country, Anti-Divine
Much like Karna's Brahmastra Kundala, it is a projectile that is granted his fiery attribute, Mana Burst (Flames), which from one blow is likened to a nuclear weapon. It will appear as an Arrow under the Archer class. As recorded in Hindu puranas, when this weapon is invoked it will cause " the oceans to boil due to its heat and earth and mountains will float on the air and everything will burn without even leaving ashes". Because of its destructive power, Archer will never activate it unless he is forced to against a power enemy, or by command seal.
Submission, or Death
Narayanastra- EX
Anti-Unit - Anti-World
By using the Second Magic, Archer is able to use this Noble Phantasm. Much like Sasaki Kojiro's Tsubami Gaeshi, he can attack many times simultaneously. However, instead of just three strikes, Archer is able to fire millions, upon millions, of flame enhanced arrows. The maximum number of targets is theoretically infinite should Archer be granted enough mana. The only way to counter this Noble Phantasm would be one of equal power (Anti-World). And the only way to block this Noble Phantasm is to have a defense that can withstand an Anti-World attack. However, should the target(s) lay down their weapons and submit, the arrows will weaken to the point of being an E- rank attack. However, this also works in the other direction. Should the target continue to show resistance such as try to fight back or not surrendering, the Noble Phantasm will gain enough power to destroy worlds. This is why something that is able to withstand Anti-World Noble Phantasms is needed to defend against this attack.
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I very much approve of the Alder King sheet, I like the idea of a servant that can't physically interact with things, and more importantly I always like seeing an assassin that really lives up to the stealthy part of the class.
Nice to see Drona!
The Noble Phantasms were ones that I gave to Bhushma and Parashursma respectively do naturally there are similarities. Brahmanda Astra is capable of killing Gods, so add Anti-divine to that. Other than that our interpretations were similar except mine has more power and yours has a far greater range.
As for Naryanastra, it was said to be the ultimate weapon to face armies so I gave it the Anti-army ranking instead and kept the EX ranking as it justifies the power. What's funny is that Drona has it as arrows and I gave Parashurama it as fists of wind from excessive punching. (Parashursma actually had many weapons of similar power, one of which was capable of destroying the universe is seconds, so I gave him a class where he could only use one for balance).
Wisdom of of the Guru skill is one we've seen under different names but it works though to make it stand out I would give it A++ rank so he could give skills at A - A+ rank which would be nice and overly powered. Military Tactics is the one time I won't class it being higher than B. All in all, pretty good.
Any thoughts on Echidna at all?
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Was Brahmanda Astra also capable of killing gods? I thought it was just able to counter all Astras (And destroying the Universe). Also I just based Brahmanda Astra off of Karnas Brahmastra (Because it was a weapon that both of them could use). I thought that I could just put Brahmashira Astra = Prana Burst (Flames) instead of giving him another powerful NP.
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And for military tactics, should I put it at B rank, or keep it at A?
As for Echidna, she seems extremely powerful for a caster. But then again it is Echidna so... I guess it's okay. Her noble phantasm reminds me a lot of Nrvnqsr, and she seems to share a lot in common with him.
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Never mind, I got it mixed up with brahmashira Astra, despite the similar name the two are different.
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As for military tactics I'm fine with it at A
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Can anybody think of a cool Noble Phantasm based off the 'Last Roman' accolade? I'm trying to come up with one for an Archer Belisarius sheet that it's in the works, but I can't think of much more then a beam-arrow infused with all the might of the Roman Empire across history ('the dying light of Rome'), which is both rather generic and almost identical in terms of appearance to an NP I gave Squanto ages ago. Other then that I thought of maybe summoning past Roman heroes/weapons to use as his own but that doesn't seem quite right either.
Any ideas? Preferably something powerful, given I imagine it'd be a trump card of sorts, and if you can invoke the imagery of 'the dying light of Rome' in an interesting way, all the better.