Create-a-Servant

[Five_X]

NPs are broken. Excalibur and Ionian Hetairoi are much, much better then David's Sling.

70 meters is nothing. Lancer makes a 100 meter backstep in a blink. Heck, Rider in bad terrain covers 50m in 2 seconds while fighting Saber Alter. Add to the fact that you are literally forced to miss your first 4 shots and the entire NP becomes a joke. Any semi decent Servant can cover 70m while you try to shoot off 4 useless projectiles.

As it is, David is quite frankly, useless. Trying to win either the 5th or the 4th with him would be an exercise in stupidity. Since he would, most assuredly get curbstomped in both wars. Especially due to the fact that his MGI stat is so pathetic he cannot even use any half-decent NP he can steal. Not to mention almost every Servant has ways to either avoid his NP, turn the NP stealing aspect useless or abilities that can instakill him straight off the bat.

God forbid that you ever have to fight a Servant not completely at your own terms (that is max range).

>implying those numbers and speeds mean anything

Ya, I kind of think this discussion is treading water. Heavily. :P

[food]

Also, someone commented on his third NP? Could David himself not be placed in the Box, along with his Master? If only his Master could be placed within then...

David himself cannot even touch it, throwing his Master into it would kill the Master.

[Mellon]

>implying those numbers and speeds mean anything

Ya, I kind of think this discussion is treading water. Heavily. :P

> Implying that David would actually be worth anything in the 4th or the 5th Heaven's Feel. :P

[food]

> Implying that David would actually be worth anything in the 4th or the 5th Heaven's Feel. :P

He would NTR the hell out of Kayneth.

Count on it.

[Mellon]

He would NTR the hell out of Kayneth.

Count on it.

Everyone NTRs Fast Wheels. I think Kayneth could have summoned Gilles and still lost Sola to him.

[Five_X]

Everyone NTRs Fast Wheels. I think Kayneth could have summoned Gilles and still lost Sola to him.

Fanfic Idea: Kayneth manages to summon a Saber - and it's Jeanne, pure Christian lady saint of France!

...NTR (and lesbians) still ensues. :3

[food]

Everyone NTRs Fast Wheels. I think Kayneth could have summoned Gilles and still lost Sola to him.

You do have a point.

Nothing gets the ladies hot and bothered like those googly eyes.

[Mellon]

You do have a point.

Nothing gets the ladies hot and bothered like those googly eyes.

Obviously they enchanted Saber. She is just too tsun to admit it.

[Zevrand]

The stones NP is absolutely awful, any servant would just kill him before he fired the second stone let alone the fifth one.

Also, the whole point of getting five stones was because Goliath had relatives, and David wanted to have one stone apiece to kill each of them.

It's actually one of the few cases where a NP with limited charges makes sense.

[mewarmo990]

You do have a point.

Nothing gets the ladies hot and bothered like those googly eyes.

Cookie Monster is proof of your statement.

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Also, the whole point of getting five stones was because Goliath had relatives, and David wanted to have one stone apiece to kill each of them.

It's actually one of the few cases where a NP with limited charges makes sense.

Don't let the pretty pictures fool you.

There is no limit to ammo. The Noble Phantasm is the sling. David picks rocks off of the ground.

Basically: Keep barraging. Every fifth shot is an uber shot.

[mewarmo990]

I actually like the David sling "ammo" idea.

It would be an interesting and uncommon case of the legend unintentionally limiting the hero's powers. Also, it would give more weight to knowledge of a hero's legend revealing possible weaknesses, since I don't feel this is actually explored enough even though it's brought up in the canon fairly frequently:

King Arthur - has immortal sheath, awesome sword, will kill you
Heracles - okay, he's kinda crazy sometimes and has a short temper. Which means he'll kill you.
Cuchulain - are you a descendant of Ulster and a wielder of Caladbolg? No? Too bad.
Gilgamesh - "what myth? that? I made the whole thing up for a preschool visit that I graced with my presence"
Medusa - Cool, you have a mirror to avoid petrification. She has a flying laser pegasus bazooka thing.
Alexander - Too bad biological weapons don't work on Servants
Lancelot - haha.
Emiya Shirou - who is this guy again?
Medea - Don't think she'll be seduced twice after that asshole Jason
Francis Drake - She's weak for money but she has BATTLESHIPS

[Five_X]

I'd say that, for the most part, knowing a Servant's identity and legend... doesn't really help you. In fact, it could hurt you. I'd say Diarmuid is one of the few that follows that identity thing straight.

I mean, you know Alexander's identity. How's that going to help you? You know that he might have an army or something, but you don't know how it manifests, you don't know what parts of his legend are NPs, etc, etc. And as for weaknesses, what? You're going to... kill Hephaestion again? Tell him that there are no more worlds to conquer?

With Arturia, you can only get under her skin if you know her well enough: bringing up "ooh your knights betrayed you ooh" doesn't cut it unless she's straight up faced with one of them. And also if you're drinking with her and talk about how she sucks at a king. All in all, very specific things.

For Medea, the only example of her getting upended by legendary weakness is when in HF she's trolled offscreen by Zouken.

Cuchulain... well, you could... have a son with him, and then have him kill said son? Really, the only useful thing that comes out of his legend is Gilgamesh knowing that the guy was part divine, then using Enkidu on him.

Throughout the Fate franchise, it's shown pretty well that knowing an enemy's identity and history doesn't help you much unless you're in a luner computer simulation and abide by Moon Rules.

[food]

The advantage mostly comes in the form of having a rough idea of the Noble Phantasm, since Noble Phantasms are really the biggest threat that may do you in for good. Knowing the identity of the Heroes does not grant you something you can immediately exploit (since either way you are fighting with what you got at hand)... Unless of course, if you are the KING (or to some extend, the FAKA).


EDIT:

Masta Rin lays it out for you:

[Seika]

Presumably there's the ability to troll Lancer via geas if you recognise him, but no-one seems to go for that.

[food]

Presumably there's the ability to troll Lancer via geas if you recognise him, but no-one seems to go for that.

Can't troll Cu because dog meat is banned in Japan.

Maybe Rin can offer him some poison or something?

[celsius]

Can't troll Cu because dog meat is banned in Japan.

Maybe Rin can offer him some poison or something?

P'shaw. I'm sure Kotomine has a pile of dog meat hidden somewhere, just to mess with Lancer.

[I3uster]

Can't troll Cu because dog meat is banned in Japan.

Maybe Rin can offer him some poison or something?

Kill the dog yourself.

[food]

Is Rin such a heartless puppy-kicking wench?

[I3uster]

She turns her mind to steel and becomes a dog-killing superhero.