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    Quote Originally Posted by LeopardBear View Post
    Oh, it's this again. Remind me, how is a mystery 70 years old working its way up to ​A?
    How old is the mystery in Rin's family jewels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    How old is the mystery in Rin's family jewels?
    A ranked spell in comparison to A ranked NP?
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    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    Sure, why not. A-ranked NPs can be lame, they're not all hypermegasuper lasers. And that A-ranked normal attack = C-ranked NP thing was referring to Servants' normal attacks versus their NPs, it doesn't apply here.

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    As I understood it, normal attacks didn't really have the 'mystery' bit factored in to the degree NPs do?
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    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    How old is the mystery in Rin's family jewels?
    Magi build up mystery by generations right? So 200 years? Isn't the fact that the gems are super old also important? Anyway, comparing magecraft to Servants is a bit of a stretch.
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    Only within myself.
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    Araya, what is your favorite color?
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    Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!
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    Not really, I think. There doesn't seem to be much differentiation between magecraft ranked A and above, and NPs ranked A and above. They both get the "miracle close to magic" treatment. The conversation where Saber and Rin discuss Bellerophon even implies they're using the same scale, since Saber says she's putting the NP's strength in Rin's terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Not really, I think. There doesn't seem to be much differentiation between magecraft ranked A and above, and NPs ranked A and above. They both get the "miracle close to magic" treatment. The conversation where Saber and Rin discuss Bellerophon even implies they're using the same scale, since Saber says she's putting the NP's strength in Rin's terms.
    So Magic Resistance works on NP's?
    Funny how you two just switched positions in comparison to the argument you had in the Fate/Apocrypha thread about Magic Resistance and NP's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
    Wank. Every Simo Häyhä profile is nothing but wank.
    weeell the rules of servant-summoning kinda define that wanking a hero does make him/her stronger.. and the more people wank him/her, the more "real" their claims become. Chuck Norris would get some pretty invincible powers just on courtesy of his legend/meme of beeing invincible beeing so widespread.

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    Same ranking scale. Arbitrarily "not magecraft" so magic resistance does squat. That is my position, I thought that was clear.

    I can think that the A on a test is the same "A" as an A on a normal assignment without thinking that tests and normal assignments are the same thing, lol.
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    So they each have a different "weight"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Same ranking scale. Arbitrarily "not magecraft" so magic resistance does squat. That is my position, I thought that was clear.

    I can think that the A on a test is the same "A" as an A on a normal assignment without thinking that tests and normal assignments are the same thing, lol.
    If only we had some A rank Noble Phantasms to compare with. Too bad everything seems to jump from B+ straight to A+.
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    Only within myself.
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    Araya, what is your favorite color?
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    Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by terraablaze View Post
    If only we had some A rank Noble Phantasms to compare with. Too bad everything seems to jump from B+ straight to A+.
    You jump from B+ to A+? Are we getting into "Herakles has B+" STR again?

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    I'm talking about examples. And all the B ranked ones are the weird kind that don't fit the ranking system or something. Of course, even C rank Noble Phantasms seem way better then what magi could ever accomplish. Seems a C ranked Mystic Code wouldn't be hard to build, does no one have the proper research or attributes to make Rule Breaker?
    Araya, what do you seek?
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    ------True wisdom.
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    Only within myself.
    「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
    Araya, what is your favorite color?
    「アラヤ、好きな色は?」
    Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by terraablaze View Post
    I'm talking about examples. And all the B ranked ones are the weird kind that don't fit the ranking system or something. Of course, even C rank Noble Phantasms seem way better then what magi could ever accomplish. Seems a C ranked Mystic Code wouldn't be hard to build, does no one have the proper research or attributes to make Rule Breaker?
    Fragarach's Answerer effect is A-ranked. That's the only one I think.

    Maybe really old lineages of Magi can make stuff like Rule Breaker.

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    zelretch's jewel sword might be A ranked or higher. not sure though, for all we know the thing could even be Ex...

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    zelretch's jewel sword might be A ranked or higher. not sure though, for all we know the thing could even be Ex...
    It's only EX if the effects defy definition (see Gilgamesh being capable of tearing a world apart at a base level).

    Anyway commenting on the Hayha thing, mystery aside or not I tend to agree that given his feats had nothing to do with magecraft and everything to do with being a badass, it's a bit off.

    I tend to define mystery as a function not just of age, but of the effect itself and how it lines up with reality. My general example is that a mystery results from an object or effect doing something at odds with what would be expected of it. For example, a sword which can create an effect comparable with firing a cannon would be a fairly large mystery. A big cannon that happens to fire large cannonballs might have comparable damage output, but lower levels of mystery because it's still doing exactly what you would expect a cannon to do. Magecraft is inherently mysterious, so the ranking doesn't have as much to do with things like that as it does the power of the overall effect (large fireburst vs. basic fireball).

    Alternatively you could say it's the level of enchantment that conceptual weapons or concepts possess- Excalibur's is stronger than the curse of Gae Bolg, for example, and God Hand's level of enchantment is lower, etc.

    That said I think giving Simo Servants A-Rank phantasms totally misses the point of making someone like that into a Servant. It's like... not necessarily bad, but it's cheating a little. Simo isn't a legend because he had a magic gun which could shoot instant death bullets, he's considered a badass motherfucker because he shot people with standard weaponry in conditions 40 below, causing casualties on a level that most modern snipers can't touch. It's not the bullets that make Hayha, it's the skill with them. I like that your version actually includes the winter, since that's a huge part of how he accomplished what he did, but I'd avoid going over the top with things like ice projectiles since that sounds like a magus's ability, not a soldier's. Simo's one of those Servants who needs the Kojiro treatment if you do him at all- weaker, less powerful, but possessing a trump card because his technique is incomparable. He can't win a straight-up fight, but Simo never fought anybody straight-up. The guy was a sniper, probably more suited to Assassin than Archer. If he showed up in a war, it would be like fighting Finnish Servant Kiritsugu. With long-range weaponry.

    Personal preference? Yeah, to an extent. I just think it really doesn't do Simo or the concept of Servants being legends brought to life any favors by building a profile for him in such a way that he could actually face to face confront and kill other Servants so easily. It makes him look wanked and generic, and it makes them look less impressive by comparison.
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    Reasonable arguments in MY Beast's Lair?

    It surely is a sign of Apocalypse.

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    If that's the case, I'm a sign of the apocalypse perhaps two or three times over.

    EDIT: And before that sounds self-aggrandizing, the other two have nothing to do with Beast's Lair.
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    I just noticed I got the "Mythology Hipster Award".

    HIIIIIIIIIIPSTEEEEEEEEEER.

    Now, on to what this thread is for. This is a sheet I made some months ago, then forgot about it. Just realized it's not here, so I might as well post it, although I think someone has done this girl before.

    ...is it wrong that whenever I think of her my mind brings forth the image of the loli from Koihime Musou?

    Spoiler:

    SUN SHANGXIANG
    Servant: Archer

    Gender: Female
    Height: 149 cm
    Weight: 37 kg
    Three Sizes: 79/45/80

    Alignment: Neutral Good

    Appearance: A young woman of short stature and overall small frame. Rather than ‘mannish’ she is rather ‘doll-like’. In any case, her small breasts and hourglass shape are concealed by her clothes. For an active person like her, Sun Ren’s skin remains a clear, milky white. Black hair with unusual red highlights is mostly held together in a round bun behind the crown of her head, except for two thin crescent-shaped locks peeking out from the sides. Her narrow blue eyes always carry a spark of mischief. She wears a light reinforced leather breastplate, its color red. It is worn over a one-piece traditional white dress with ornate motifs of diverse plants and flowers. The dress is double-slit to allow Sun Ren’s legs full mobility.


    Strength C
    Endurance C
    Agility C
    Magic E
    Luck D
    Noble Phantasm C


    Class Skills:
    * Independent Action: The ability to remain independent even when rejecting the prana supply from the Master.
    B – Can remain in this world for a week even after losing his Master. However, to use Noble Phantasms of great prana consumption, back up from the Master is necessary.
    * Magic Resistance: Grants protection against magical effects.
    E – Cannot cancel spells, but magic damage is reduced somewhat.

    Personal Skills:
    * Charisma: The natural talent to command an army. Increases the ability of allies during group battles. A rare talent.
    C- – Equivalent to C-rank with an army of women only. Rank down otherwise.
    * Chinese Martial Arts: A Chinese rationality. A value that measures one's mastery of the martial arts that made becoming one with the universe as its objective. Its difficulty to learn is of the highest level and, unlike other Skills, it is at A Rank that one is at a level where he is said to have finally "learned it".
    A – Can only be said to have “learned it”, but she is still far from the realm of the masters.
    * Disengage: The ability to break away from combat.
    D – Battle conditions are restored only to the extent that Sonshoukou’s continued survival is guaranteed.


    Noble Phantasms:
    * Shì bì băi yú rén – Volley of the Maid Army (侍婢百餘人, Over One Hundred Maids)
    Type: Anti-Army
    Rank: D
    Range: 3-40
    Maximum number of targets: 100 people

    Upon invoking the name of the technique, a single arrow becomes a volley of one hundred and one, one for each of the combat-trained maid servants that always accompanied Sun Renxian. An specific manifestation of Gradation Air by a woman who never practiced Magecraft, made possible by the combined devotion of the maids who loved her, worshiped her, but in the end could not follow her into the Throne of Heroes. Their unwavering loyalty was not forgotten, and instead re-imagined as Sun Shangxiang’s dearest skill.

    * Téng lóng dòu hŭ – Principle of Equal Opposition (滕龍鬥, Fight between Tiger and Dragon)
    Type: Anti-Unit/Anti-Noble Phantasm
    Rank: C
    Range: 3-50
    Maximum number of targets: 1 person

    Like the dragon and the tiger which fight each other to exhaustion, their powers perfectly equal and their rivalry unresolved. So did the arranged marriage between Sun Shangxiang and Liu Bei conciliate her brother Sun Quan with the legendary warlord, if only for a time. As a tribute to her role as a ‘defuser’, Sonshoukou’s Noble Phantasm is the arrow that nullifies the greatest opposition.

    A conceptual-type Noble Phantasm without a defined physical form; Sun Ren can imbue any of her arrows with the power of Ryutou Koutou. She may then release the arrow in response to the invocation of her opponent’s Noble Phantasm and, upon the arrow making contact with it; the opposing heroic treasure’s effect is instantaneously nullified. The only restriction to the arrow’s effect is that nullifying a Noble Phantasm costs exactly as much prana as the unleashing of the Phantasm cost to its owner in the first place. If Sonshoukou cannot provide that amount, her arrow becomes useless. Furthermore, the arrow must ‘make contact’ with the Noble Phantasm for its effect to take place. If the Noble Phantasm does not have a tangible, physical form, then it cannot be nullified by Téng lóng dòu hŭ.


    Background
    The mischievous noble princess of Eastern Wu during the Three Kingdoms period. Curiously, her complete true name remains unclear to this day. During the Qing Dynasty she was known as Sūn Fūrén (“Lady Sun”). In the historical novel “Romance of the Three Kingdoms” she is known as Sūn Rén, while in the Hanjin Chunqiu she is identified as Sūn Rénxiàn. The popular name, Sūn Shàngxiāng, comes from the Chinese opera “Gānlù sì” (“Sweet Dew Temple”, but also known as “The Dragon and the Phoenix”). In Japan she is known as Sonfujin, Shaoren, or Sonshoukou.

    Her date of birth is unknown. What we know, however, is that she was the third child of the warlord and first emperor of Eastern Wu, Sun Jian, and his wife Wu Fūrén, and thus the descendant of the already legendary Sun Tzu. Her brothers were the renowned Sūn Cè and Sūn Quán. She is remembered as a woman of strong personality, loyal to her family and eventually to her husband but unwilling to merely follow the instructions of others. A strong-willed woman trained in martial arts and the use of weapons; Sun Ren was unique in that she personally appointed a permanent escort of armed maid-servants. According to “Romance of the Three Kingdoms”, she was a boisterous, whimsical girl; quite a handful to deal with. However, she was acknowledged by Zhuge Liang himself as equal in power and skill to the great warlords of the Three Kingdoms era.

    In the year 209, she was given in marriage to the warlord Liu Bei, in a extravagant ceremony at Xiulin Mountain. At that time Liu Bei was already an aged general, and the difference in age between the two was of several decades, as Sun Ren was just barely past her twentieth birthday. It was a political marriage, intended to settle an alliance between her father and the powerful warlord, Liu Bei. However, it was not to last. Two years later, when relations between Liu Bei and Sun Ren’s brothers were already tense, she returned to her parents’ place in obeisance to her elder brother’s command. She intended to take with her Liu Bei’s heir, young Liu Shan, but she was stopped by Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun, and she was only allowed to leave after handing the child to them. This was the end of her marriage, for she was never allowed to meet Liu Bei again.
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