Create-a-Servant

[Mcjon01]

Nasu said Shiki vs Shirou, Shiki's head would probably explode trying to kill all the NPs Shirou comes out with.

Just want to take the time to point out again that Nasu said Shiki's head would explode after he's done killing all the NPs Shirou tries to come out with, presumably ending the fight with both of them dead. The entire point of that interview seems to be Nasu copping out of having to say which protagonist is stronger by saying that if they fight they both basically cancel out and both end up dead, unless you make certain concessions (i.e., no overflow for Shiki or the ability to put out a mana blast without killing himself for Shirou.)

[I3uster]

Isn't his AGI there attributed to his extremly fast sword style?
Not trying to defend my obvious wrong here, but still.


Again, this topic is not "Correct I3usters fanwank Shiki" but "Create-a-Servant"

[terraablaze]

This should probably be moved somewhere in fanfics or whatever.
I have some ideas but would have to write them down first.
I have not read Fate/Regalia but does anyone know if these have been taken:
Ogier the Dane
Enoch
King Solomon
Dietrich von Bern
Heimir
Roland
Charlemange
Rostam

[Mcjon01]

This should probably be moved somewhere in fanfics or whatever.

Nooooo, this thread deserves better than that!

Also,I never go to the fanfic forum so I'll forget it exists if it gets moved.

[Theocrass]

I'm pretty sure there's already a thread for this.

[eddyak]

Just want to take the time to point out again that Nasu said Shiki's head would explode after he's done killing all the NPs Shirou tries to come out with, presumably ending the fight with both of them dead. The entire point of that interview seems to be Nasu copping out of having to say which protagonist is stronger by saying that if they fight they both basically cancel out and both end up dead, unless you make certain concessions (i.e., no overflow for Shiki or the ability to put out a mana blast without killing himself for Shirou.)

True- but you also can't discount the possibility of Shiki keeling over in the middle of the fight either. Anaemia and pop-your-own-brain is not a good combination.

Isn't his AGI there attributed to his extremly fast sword style?
Not trying to defend my obvious wrong here, but still.

If it was just speed, Lancer would be about four tiers above Sasaki. Sasaki's completely human, and therefore slower than pretty much any other Servant, and Lancer's spear goes so fast even reinforced-eyes-Archer can't see it. Sasaki's only advantage is pure skill and technique- if his opponent lets down their guard for a moment, he cuts off their head.

[I3uster]

I'm pretty sure there's already a thread for this.

Haven't found it, please link me to it. This should be closed then.
I thought something like this would exist already, but did not find it.

[Mcjon01]

Has Shiki actually ever suffered from his anemia in a fight? I don't remember, it seems like it always happens afterward.

[Tangerang]

My guess: EX ranked agility makes you grow additional legs.
While this makes you more agile than most people, after too much legs your agility is hampered and you are easily attacked.



Aw shit, this was a misunderstanding on my part, I thought that he COULD kill NPs because of that Nasu interview.
My error then.
But I still think fending of the "Queen" of clock tower can only be attributed to is sick agility and speed, since he would not have used his eyes for a nonlethal battle (He fought her, right? My memory is a bit hazy there, may have to reread prelude).

He never fought her, that was Enhance. He just ks'ed her while she was distracted by Enhance.

His 'sick agility and speed' allows him to killsteal?

[I3uster]

Have you ever killstealed in a game?
It takes practice, timing and reaction = agility.

[Tangerang]

She gets distracted by enhance.

On the completely other end of the castle, shiki kills her prey.

I say killsteal because he stole her prey, not because he appeared at the last second to deal the killing blow. The latter, yeah that could show agi, the former, not so much.

[eddyak]

His killsteal was more like...

*lets other people penetrate security*

*slips in while she's distracted with someone else*

*finds the guy and kills him*

*leaves*

*the other two find the corpse and think "wtf?"*

[I3uster]

To the other guys:
Is B appropiate? I mean he can dotstab moving targets and flashstep, and he should have the ability for stuff like the Kyoukushi -Nanaya move, which requires a bit of finesse too.

[Tangerang]

Tbh, iirc, d was described as 'exceed human capabilities?'
And shiki is described at the current peak of humans?
I'd say d or high e

[Cruor]

What is this? I can't even guess. TOBIAS! GRANT ME STRENGTH!

Also lol at you equating Agility with speed.

Archer became stronger when he became an Heroic Spirit. It's just in most cases most heroes become weaker.

Another thing, I'd like to say is that as a Heroic Spirit who visited the Throne of Heroes Shiki's 'modern human common sense' ought to have changed quite a bit so he should be able to see lines on some pretty hax stuff.

[I3uster]

K, then I will reduce his agi to D and make his eyes without a drawback.
That should balance this out then.

[Tangerang]

Archer became stronger when he became an Heroic Spirit. It's just in most cases most heroes become weaker.

Another thing, I'd like to say is that as a Heroic Spirit who visited the Throne of Heroes Shiki's 'modern human common sense' ought to have changed quite a bit so he should be able to see lines on some pretty hax stuff.

Archer gained that power in life though, after the pact. And he didn't. Become a hs until after he died.

Tbh, I think what they mean by hs is actually servant.

Like 'when the hs is transferred from throne to servant, they usually get weakened'

[eddyak]

Tbh, iirc, d was described as 'exceed human capabilities?'
And shiki is described at the current peak of humans?
I'd say d or high e

I don't think that's it, since Sasaki's at A+.

[I3uster]

I don't think that's it, since Sasaki's at A+.

But Sasaki is a no life nerd while Shiki is a crazy dude with a tight schedule.

[terraablaze]

But Sasaki is a no life nerd while Shiki is a crazy dude with a tight schedule.

Sasaki is the Travis Touchdown of the Nasuverse.
Brilliant my good sir.