Let's show him CaS
Let's show him CaS
Let's notOriginally Posted by Formless Creature
I'm sending him Dullahan's fanfics
One thing I'm really disappointed with the anime adaptation is that they disregard the manga almost entirely. I much prefer how the manga interprets the prologue summoning scenes.
Yeah... This has been my main issue as well. The fact that the Anime started with the Whispers of Dawn special has been a huge problem. To get all the cool stuff and necessary exposition crammed into the 1-hour special, the producers had to cut so much content that it's not even funny. Unless I'm completely misremembering something, by the time Whispers of Dawn ends, (not counting the Richard teaser at the end) the viewer is supposed to know the Identities of all the Fake Servants, and most of them were supposed to have quick mini-backstories to introduce said identities. But in Whispers of Dawn only Gil, Jack and Enkidu are revealed.
Now, it's safe to assume that whoever is watching knows about Gil, unless they for some reason decide to pick Strange Fake as their first Fate, and Jack the Ripper is famous enough that basically everyone knows at least something about who he is. But the same is not true for Enkidu. If whoever is watching is not a mythology nerd, or didn't play FGO/watch Babylonia anime, they have no clue about who Enkidu is. All the special tells is that Gil and Enkidu are pals, and that's it. Compared to the mini-backstory that explains their origin and relationship with Gil present in other versions, the special just loses an astronomical amount of impact from their reunion.
The frustrating part is that the Anime could've fixed this really easily, since Whispers of Dawn was essentially just episodes 1-to-4 of the Anime with parts cut out to reduce the runtime. The Anime could've started again from the very beginning, slicing up the special to individual episodes, but had the cut content restored. But instead of doing that, the producers went with the more frustrating and difficult route; Continuing where Whispers of Dawn left off. And now, they've got an absolute mountain of cut content, most of which they need to write back into the Story. Now, I assume that they're going to add the skipped Servant backstories into later episodes, given how necessary most of them are, but the damage is already done. Even if they show us Enkidu's backstory through Wolf's dream or something, it has already lost most of its impact by not being featured before Gil and Enkidu's fight. And that's not even the worst of it, given that some cut content doesn't make sense to appear later, like stuff with Gil's original, jackass Master, or some of Waver's conversations, and so much more. At least some of it can be shown through flashback, like just how fucked the Kuruokas are, but so much is going to be lost...
Ugh. This whole situation just annoys me to no end. I legitimately cannot understand why the Anime's producers decided to do things like this.
I think the decision comes down to pacing.
If they do four volumes in one cour, with three episodes per volume, and start at the beginning, that puts them at the end of volume 4… which is a really poor place to leave off a season, being in the middle of a giant battle. However, if they get volume 1 out of the way beforehand? Now in 12 episodes you can get to the end of volume 5, a huge cliffhanger which leads into the next portion of the story. It’s certainly not ideal, and while stuff with Tsubaki they can still add in (also I believe Dumas’ name is only revealed in his flashback when Jester shows up at the police station, although I could be misremembering myself), you are correct that Gil vs Enkidu lost a good amount of its gravitas without explaining their relationship. There also is the issue of No Name… who I see anime onlies say is Cursed Arm Hassan way too much because of what they did to her backstory.
They also skipped Tsubaki and Pale Rider's initial summoning scene entirely, and I have no idea how and when they're going to address it.
I think they might get to it when Flat & Jack goes to the hospital
Also I'm thinking first cour will end with the True Servants being summoned & maybe the gil vs alkeides scene. I'm expecting it to stay about where the manga is. I'd be pretty surprised if we get to Vol. 5 stuff. Vol. 4 is maybe.
Last edited by jennajayfeather; January 24th, 2025 at 11:01 PM.
It either ends at the end of Volume 3 or ends at the end of Volume 5 and I don’t think there’s many other options than those.
I am just happy to see the fights animated...fuck the story as I already read the novel.. absolute cool animation is what people should expect from this anime...nothing more and nothing less
When is unrepentant mass murdering ever handled as anything but a character flaw? Never is there a supposedly “good” character deciding that killing much more people indiscriminately is really a worthy goal. Same goes for serial killers, and I actually don’t like how some of those are often lionized in fiction. This isn’t a problem for Berserker as he is the “legend” of Jack the Ripper, not the actual person itself.
Not only would you be wrong by definition, doesn’t that make you a fanatic also when held by the same standard? Especially since you don’t seem to be interested in really discussing anything, as indicated by the times I had to repeatedly addressing the same points, some of which you outright ignored, and other logical fallacies. My apologies for the personal conjecture, but it seems more like I hit a nerve and you are unwilling to actually discuss anything. Furthermore, I didn’t bring the topic up beyond a few words in a much larger commentary about SF, people responded and it became a topic of discussion. Finally, I like most people don’t have unlimited time to post on online forums, I respond when I have the time to do so.
About the anime, the manga did the summoning and fights better in my opinion, and was more faithful to the source material too.
I mean, while there are anime adaptations that take cues from the manga adaptation of works (apothecary diaries and the upcoming twisted wonderland anime will be like this too)- it's an adaptation of the novel, not the manga. So it has no reason to abide by the same interpretation the manga did even if Morii is responsible for it. Their hands are full enough as is just maintaining their artstyle
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Because there's a lot of content to cover and only so many stuff they have manpower to animate on schedule (and they're already struggling with that). I don't disagree with the overall point that the anime omits or obscure some stuff that will make the experience confusing to non novel readers, but there was quite frankly no reality where they were going to redo whisper of dawn, an endeavour they were already fighting for their lives to finish and had to release 6 months later, nor a good chunk of the extra novel content not being left on the cutting room floor.
What’s CaS?
Narita stops by sometimes, nice guy
I've always been interested in trying CaS myself sometime, but I've never taken the time to look into how it works yet.
There's no how it works, honestly. You can just go to the thread and post what you wrote.
There are contests with more rules though.
Look. I know how frustrating is when the anime doesn't properly adapt the source material. I have watched it lots of times but in this case there is circunstances for what I can find it acceptable to a degree.
Fist (and I don't have confirmation but merely speculation) all Fate media as of recently is for Fate fans or at least you are expected to have watched anime F/sn, F/Z or played FGO as in...you are definitely expected to kinda know the basics concepts as the Servants or the HGW. Example of this are the Babilonia anime, Heavens Feel movies or Case Files anime.
Fate stories have so much content that they NEVER get everything in the adaptation. So even if proper episodes would have been the ideal the OVA does the job. As I remember it doesn't lose nothing important that can't be recounted after. Gilgamesh? you fucking know him. Enkidu? you kinda know him from Babilonia and what if not? He is Gilgamesh pal for more info Google him like with Cu Chulainn. Gilgamesh original master? Some literal who asshole that Tine killed, who cares? Zealot identity? important but can be explained the next time we see her like before the battle with the Clan Catalin. Same with Tsubaki situation and Pale Rider.
Then there is the issue of pacing. If they were to remake/expand the OVA in proper episodes then it would have the same problem of Ishura were 2/3 of the cour are intros. I like it but probably a lot of people not. Fate anime trieve in action.
Also the feeling that the production is a disaster.
What's funny is FSF producers keep saying "It's fine to be a first time watcher for FSF!!" the reality is no one is going to care about Gilgamesh or Enkidu if they know nothing about them...I was already bored with the Gil/Enkidu fight and I can't imagine someone who didn't know anything about them beforehand
I do think they'll go back and flesh out the characters they didn't in Whispers of Dawn tho (Zealot, Tsubaki, Enkidu).
I also think the first epi suffered with a lot of what the recent FGO movies struggled with: coherency. When I watched it with my mom she said it felt like a bunch of scenes stapled together and I have to agree...
Last edited by jennajayfeather; January 26th, 2025 at 11:48 AM.
Fate animation has already established itself as the overly complicated stuff you watch for the action. That's the common opinion on it, Fate/Zero aside.
Strange Fake could come out uninteligible and people would still care as long as they put enough explosions on the screen.
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