That would imply volume 10 came out.
That would imply volume 10 came out.
Petri's arbitrary limit
It did, it just goes to another school so you wouldn't know her.
She's also in Canada.Originally Posted by CO9p5JMGv!p9
You are not immune to propoganda, probably.
Speaking of which, I have a question: How do Rin and Luvia relate in this novel? In theory, Luvia has never met Shirou.
Huh? I mean, they become rivals even without Shirou involved, as mentioned in HF True End and seen in the "In London" chapter of hollow ataraxia.
Unfortunately we still don't even have news about Volume 10's release.
Iirc they had historical rivalry..tohsakas and edelfelt were on good terms until 3rd holy grail war after that relationship deteriorated their rivalry comes from that.
If my memory serves me right..it's been so long
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Also the reason why sakura was adopted by edelfelt in apocrypha timeline where 3rd grail war had gone differently than fsn timeline
Do we have any information if Normal Archer Heracles Has Pelt of divine beast&Girdle of war goddess.
He was wearing the pelt when he was summoned, before Bazildot altered him. No information about the Girdle, but it seems safe to assume he doesn't have it.
Yeah, we don't know that much about regular Archer Herc, sadly. Though we do know that he actually had God Hand, like Zerk Herc.
But, here's the description of King's Order:
Since Alcides having them all is noted to be the exception, and because Archer Herc had both the Pelt (1st Labor) and the Hydra Venom Arrows (2nd Labor), I think it's reasonable to deduce that regular Heracles would have some combinations of them as individual Noble Phantasms, depending on his Class. Like, for example: Rider Herc would probably have the Mares of Diomedes (8th Labor) and Cerberus (12th Labor) as his mounts, befitting the Class. Girdle of the War God is kind of difficult to pin on any Class in particular, since by just wearing it the user's parameters, except Luck, all get buffed. Basically the definition of a "Simple but strong" NP. Though if I had to make a guess, I'd say it's likely limited to Saber and Lancer, the primary melee combat Classes, mostly because the other Labors don't really have anything super fitting for those two.
God Hand + pelt + Nine Lives + hydra poison is already such an insanely busted combo that it boggles the mind how the Einzberns were so fucking stupid
Class: Archer
Master: Illyasviel von Einzbern
Name: Heracles
Sex: Man
H&W: 253 cm, 160.0 kg
Alignment: Neutral Good
STR: A
END: B
AGI: A
M.E: A
LCK: B
NP: A
Personal Skills
Valor: A+
With his brave and daring spirit, Heracles is able to neutralize mental interference such as suppression, confusion, and charm. Valor also increases the damage inflicted upon the opponent during melee combat. This skill allowed Heracles to defeat several monsters empty-handed
Divinity: A
Being a mixed-race child of a god, the King of Gods Zeus and a human, and becoming a god himself after death thanks to his great deeds, Heracles naturally possessed the highest level of the Divinity
Battle Continuation: A
Skill that allows for the continuation of combat after sustaining mortal wounds. It will also reduce the mortality rate from injury. The best result is achieved when a resilient body is combined with this skill. It represents the ability to survive.
Eye Of the Mind(False): A
Gained through many ordeals and adventures, he is capable of calm analysis of battle conditions, by which competent grasp of the status of the self and the opponent are obtainable even in the midst of danger; utilization of such to deduce the appropriate course of action that permits escape from a lethal predicament.
Class Skills
Independent Action: A
It is possible for a Heracles to stay in the world for two days without a Master. However, this is the ideal value achieved by maximally conserving mana and avoiding battle and Noble Phantasm usage.
Magic Resistance: A
Cancel spells of A Rank or below, no matter what greater magecraft it is. In practice, the Servant is untouchable to modern magi
Noble Phantasm
God Hand: The Twelve Labors
Type: Anti-Unit
Rank: B
Range: —
Maximum number of targets: 1 person
God Hand Immortality obtained from a blessing (curse) of the gods. The body is transformed into strong armor, and all attacks of rank B and below are nullified. Additionally, there is effect where revival (Raise) is automatically cast upon death. There is a stock of eleven revivals.
Resurrection as well as attack-nullification. Besides these two effects, God Hand also possesses a third effect: rendering an attack that it has experienced before useless. Regardless how powerful is the Noble Phantasm that defeated Heracles, it would be completely nullified after he resurrects.
Heracles dosen't have to die. For example... if he were to take fire damage, once he recovered hed would gain +100 resistance to fire.
Nine Lives: Shooting the Hundred Heads
Type: Unknown
Rank: C~A+
Range: —
"As the occasion demands"
Maximum number of targets: —
The technique that has become a Noble Phantasm is called [Style: Shooting the Hundred Heads], and can be performed in various ways with a weapon or perhaps even bare-handed. Drawing the maximum power from the weapon, from anti-unit to anti-army, up to sieging, various forms depending on the circumstances are on display.
Nine lives has the meaning of possessing a life amount to 9, but this holds the implication that, due to the monsters he faces as enemies possessing the special characteristic of "reviving no matter how many times they are killed" altogether, he had achieved a combat method that "annihilates them no matter how many times they revive".
Thoughts: I think this is how pure Heracles as an archer might have looked; I'm a bit uncertain about his parameters as a pure archer compared to Avenger.
Standard equipment not noble phantasm which he has as an archer
The Pelt of the Divine Beast
The skin of the Nemean lion turned into a pelt; it retains the ability to reject artefacts/weapons originating from the wisdom of men.
This negation ability is ineffective against weapons/artefacts which are not a byproduct of the wisdom of men.
Nor against physical unarmed violence, which is not considered to be wisdom of men, punches/claws/and such things
His Armament
He wields a greatbow with an adamantine string so strong that no regular Heroic Spirit would be able to pull. In life, this bow was passed down to Philocthetes, who would use it to kill Prince Paris of Troy, alongside bow his arrows are tipped in hydra venom.
Completely unironically, I would swap the boosts Herc gains from Madness Enhancement for even a single Hydra Venom arrow. Those things are just absurdly devastating. Even getting scratched by one of them is automatically a GG to like 99% of Servants.
And on the defensive side, God Hand + Nemean Lion Pelt combo is basically peak defense. The amount of Servants that could even scratch Herc with those two is very tiny. Basically only God-tiers.
As for the Einzberns being idiots, I feel like that is the perfect example of PIS (plot-induced stupidity). Much like Gil in most cases, he needed to be nerfed for the plot to happen. Proper Archer Herc would have absolutely rolled the 5th Holy Grail War, with only Gil and Artoria (if she just went ahead and full power Excaliblasted his ass) standing a chance against him.
He doesn’t have it in the manga though, so it might have just been worded weirdly in the novels.
Edit: No wait he does, I just didn’t realize it lmao
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I remember when we had a long debate about being summoned with the pelt years ago
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TBH I thought it was the cloth he wears over his head, since Hippolyta's version of the girdle is the sash she wears wrapped around her arm
Yeah isn't the cloth his version of the pelt? Since I also remember something about aiming at not the cloth when shooting at him.
Petri's arbitrary limit
This is exactly why I’m getting messed up because I ended up going through a bunch of your guys old threads when I was reading strange Fake.
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The thing he wears on his head is the Nemean Lion Pelt which is said blatantly in Volume 4 or 5 I think. It’s powerful because any man-made weapon doesn’t work on it which is part of why Alcides no sells Gil’s initial barrage. So ya gotta punch him or hit him in the gaps to hurt him.
The War God Belt thing is a different thing that Heracles also has that is an NP of Hippolyte’s, which has the same abilities but Hippo and Alcides use it differently.
Okay so I did remember correctly that the cloth was the Pelt. You got me worried there for a sec.
Petri's arbitrary limit
Was it ever confirmed Archer (or non-Berserker) Herc would even have God Hand? Also canonically the Einzberns were paranoid about betrayal after Kiritsugu and chose a Servant without independent thought. Although it's ironic because Herc would've protected Illya anyway of his own will.
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