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    The edit note is the funniest thing in that post
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    Punching out some nerd doesn't make you a better magus.

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    I literally didn't intend to put any slurs maybe grammar-checker did

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    Me when I use the grammar checker that puts slurs in my text

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    I see the problem now seeing as I'm not from English speaking world, the translator seems to have changed სულელი which is more accurately stupid into R sentence

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    Any way, getting back at topic what are you're thoughts about valume 9 since it has been out for quite some time

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    7.8/10 not enough Flat

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    I think it was a really nice volume for setting up everyone’s finales, and I’m really excited to see how everything is wrapped up. If I had to choose things I’m most excited for (based on the setup given in this volume), that would probably be either Sigma’s character conclusion and his fight with Faldeus, or whatever Dumas has planned with Thia and his conclusion + Flat’s return, however that’s handled.

    Also very very interested where Enkidu goes next volume, the way Enkidu’s growth to making their own decisions is leading to what seems to be actual hostile behavior from a normally quite peaceful character is a very interesting decision, but also the final phase of an arc that’s been set up for years for Enkidu.

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    I’m personally pretty intrigued that Zealot and Sigma are so seperated. I figured their finales would link up but I think Sigma’s kicking the bucket before he can see her again.
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    In the nasuverse the easiest way to find out who is the strongest is to have them fight. Whoever loses was the stronger one.
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    Nasu juggles Chekhov's guns like they're tennis balls

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    I have a quick question about F/SF. The consensus seems to be that Strange Fake's world is very close if not the same as Himuten's and, therefore, Shirou ended up in a similar situation to Heaven's Feel and isn't going around doing hero stuff around the world. But if that's the case, than how is he known as someone that can trace NPs by Fake Caster?
    >How is the Counterforce so useless?
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    Because, as the embodiment of humanity's self-preservation instinct, it procrastinates until problems are too big to ignore but also too big to deal with easily and safely.

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    At first the reference was Shirou, but then the timeline was HimuTen, so a new mage fraud got introduced to redirect the reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    a new mage fraud got introduced to redirect the reference.
    Who's that?
    >How is the Counterforce so useless?
    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Because, as the embodiment of humanity's self-preservation instinct, it procrastinates until problems are too big to ignore but also too big to deal with easily and safely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spheromancer View Post
    Who's that?
    Cashura
    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    Punching out some nerd doesn't make you a better magus.

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    One of standard asshole mage who always gets offed

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    There is a huge difference in practicing projection magecraft and projecting NPs tho. I doubt any standard mage with the origin and affinity "sword" is just lying around..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spheromancer View Post
    I have a quick question about F/SF. The consensus seems to be that Strange Fake's world is very close if not the same as Himuten's and, therefore, Shirou ended up in a similar situation to Heaven's Feel and isn't going around doing hero stuff around the world. But if that's the case, than how is he known as someone that can trace NPs by Fake Caster?
    Caster never references tracing NPs.
    He references Elmyr de Hory, a contemporary art forger and then references someone who can use magecraft that copies things.

    Caster’s Master sighed and humored Caster, acknowledging his complaints. “I will prepare women and food for you. Now, return to your work with all due speed. Produce weapons ever more sublime.”
    《Man, you’re a real wet blanket. You know, this isn’t even my specialty. Don’t forget that, kay? Besides, if you wanted a counterfeiter, there are better people out there! So I was on the internet yesterday, and I read about this guy named Elmyr de Hory. And plus, I heard a rumor—apparently, there’s another guy who can use some kind of super-ultra-awesome magic to copy things over and over again.》
    “A mere copy is of no value to us. A counterfeit that does not surpass the original object will be of no avail against the King of Heroes.”
    Last edited by You; April 18th, 2025 at 02:35 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    It's kinda implicit since he's manufacturing NPs for them in the first place. What's the point in copying non-NP grade things for the police?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO9p5JMGv!p9 View Post
    It's kinda implicit since he's manufacturing NPs for them in the first place. What's the point in copying non-NP grade things for the police?
    He is indeed manufacturing NPs for them, but it is not implied that Elmyr de Hory or this "someone" with super-ultra-awesome magic to copy things can replicate NPs.
    The function of this line for the reader is different to its function for the in-universe people having the conversation in the Dengeki version of Strange Fake.

    Orlando does not repurpose the UBW line because he's quoting UBW, he says it because its what he sincerely believes.
    Narita, on the other hand, used the UBW verbage because he wants us to understand he's ironically referencing the UBW route speech.
    There is a doublespeak going on in this section where what the characters are explicitly talking about to each other and what we as readers understand them to be talking about are different.
    Last edited by You; April 18th, 2025 at 03:33 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
    One of standard asshole mage who always gets offed
    Not a standard asshole magus. Your standard asshole magus would be insulted. He's Tokiomi's erroneous assessment of the type of man Kiritsugu was come to life:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero vol 1
    There isn't even a single line of text recording Kiritsugu having undergone a battle like this, using the 'regulations of magi'.

    "The thing called magus exists outside of human law to begin with, and that's all the more reason to strictly obey the rules of our own world."

    Tokiomi said so, his calm voice seething with anger.

    "But this man Emiya completely ignores all rules. He does not have a bit of pride as a magus. This kind of man is unforgivable."

    "What you said was... pride?"

    "Yes. Even this man surely underwent strict training as a magus.

    If that's the case, then he certainly has the faith to overcome and surmount difficulties. It is impossible to forget his original intent and desire, even after attaining success."

    "..."

    What Tokiomi said is wrong. Submitting oneself to brutal training even without any intent whatsoever, this kind of idiot exists in this world. Regarding this, Kirei understands better than anyone.

    "— So why did this Emiya Kiritsugu become a killing tool?"

    "That... it's probably because of money. After going into the Einzbern family, he's washed himself clean. He's already obtained enough money as to not worry about it for the rest of his life, so that is only reasonable - it should be written on that report, that guy did more than just assassinations. He seems to have done other stuff around the world any chance he gets for some extra money."

    It's just as Tokiomi says, nearing the end of the report, other than magi related incidents, there are lots of other experiences of Emiya Kiritsugu. So that's how it is, Kiritsugu can be placed in most of the conflicts going on around the world; he's not only a killing tool, but also did a lot of work as a mercenary.
    Quote Originally Posted by strange fake vol 2
    The mage maintained his air of indifference in this face of Ayaka's half-desperate sarcasm.
    "Do you know why I just as good as told you the true name of the Heroic Spirit I'm going to summon?"
    "...?"
    "I did it because this summoning is another 'declaration of war.' It doesn't matter if it gets out; on the contrary, I hear it will make for a grand irony when it gets back to the Einzberns and the Association through your employer. Totally useless, if you ask me, but I get paid all the same."
    Among mages, it was basic common sense to conceal information, but this mage only shrugged as he continued relating his commission to spread it.
    "In short, we've already made allowances for the infiltration you gambled your life on."
    "..."
    "Speaking of which, I would have liked to make sure whether or not those faux-Command Seals have the power to obstruct my summoning, but... Really, I'm sure Francesca sees us as just another one of her toys. Well, even if you do put up a fight and spoil the ritual, I still get paid. I'll just accept that I drew the short straw and give up on the war."
    Projection Magecraft
    Orthodox Domination Magecraft (what Kiritsugu used to impersonate Kayneth when he bombed the hotel)
    Terrorist
    Personality correlates to Tokiomi's assessment of Kiritsugu (see above)
    Contaminated by a Holy Grail

    Cashura is truly a "Candidate to be a Master of Saber" if you look at his meta-TM attributes.
    The only thing I can't figure out is the magical cord.
    Last edited by You; April 18th, 2025 at 03:35 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    He is indeed manufacturing NPs for them, but it is not implied that Elmyr de Hory or this "someone" with super-ultra-awesome magic to copy things can replicate NPs.
    The function of this line for the reader is different to its function for the in-universe people having the conversation in the Dengeki version of Strange Fake.

    Orlando does not repurpose the UBW line because he's quoting UBW, he says it because its what he sincerely believes.
    Narita, on the other hand, used the UBW verbage because he wants us to understand he's ironically referencing the UBW route speech.
    There is a doublespeak going on in this section where what the characters are explicitly talking about to each other and what we as readers understand them to be talking about are different.
    The entire conversation is about doing same function as him tho.
    If you want to replace him then you can use either of them.
    The context makes the point of replicating NPs.
    But Orlando wants someone better. He doesn't need to use someone fake.

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    did a new chapter for volume 10 come out?

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