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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Kind of badass, then, that she fought it *and* survived when the others didn't.
    It's more impressive that she did not lose her giant kaiju power tbh. The Olympians in panhuman history had all of their mechas destroyed and a lot of other gods lost their physical forms to become divine spirits while she's still chilling around even in later ages. I'm guessing it is due to some Taoism power being involved (Tamamo used Xian art to regain 9 tails in CCC, and Xians are beings similar to True Ancestors, immortal and can restore their bodies after being destroyed over and over again. So if she can replicate that, she would heal back up easily). Basically while she might have taken an L, there was no impactful damage to her at all, save for some PTSD.

    And I'm guessing the reason Altera did not remember her was partly because of the fact that Mars was the better fighter who almost won, being the god of war and whatnot. He might not have the powerlvl, but he had the skillz, and that ultimately made him more memorable than a giant fox whose Authorities are more geared towards supporting life and governing countries.
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    Also back on topic cuz this is already too derailed, I remembered that Gugalanna has the lazuli horn acting as its controller (from the recent Ishtar interlude in FGO). So hopefully it comes back to bite Ishtar's ass in later parts.


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    I mean, there's that hole issue that Tamamo said if Amaterasu had fight, maybe they could win against Sefar, so I go to the line that she didn't fight too.

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    Tamamo: ...I'm sorry. I've indulged myself all this time, and now look at this place. There's no way to stop that titan. This world was doomed from the start. I knew I wouldn't be able to save you. I knew it all along. That's why... I awakened my "harlot mode" I'd sealed off before. Not to fight or anything... I just wanted to live the dream life, even for an instant. And it couldn't be any other way. Because we've lost to that titan before. I've known in my very bones that we're no match for the Umbral Star. I'm a part of the embodiment of the Sun. And so...I know everything that happened 14,000 years ago. That thing killed more than the plants and animals. More than humanity. It killed even the very personifications of nature, one by one... the Heavens, the Earth, and the Sea. The Sun, and Fire, and the Forest. All our wisdom came to nothing. The titan rejected all reason, all love. It even rejected Death itself. The very embodiment of War, with its great sword, couldn't touch that thing. ...I knew that horrible creature was bound to come back. I knew better than anyone. And not "eventually". Ever tick of the clock brought us closer to the end of time. That's why I...
    I remember that someone here once did a whole post talking about the interpretation of this sentence it's strange in the translation, but I can't find it. If I'm saying something wrong please someone correct me

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    With Googy getting even closer by Vol. 6 and then the thing that happened to Flat, everything is just hitting Snowfield at once....lol. I mean it had been but its even worse now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bar's Angel View Post
    I mean, there's that hole issue that Tamamo said if Amaterasu had fight, maybe they could win against Sefar, so I go to the line that she didn't fight too.
    Extella as a whole has several contradicting statements tbh. This is one of them. A way to look at this is by looking at that comment saying Altera "wouldn't recognize" her due to her going up the heavens and down the underworld (it's a quote from her NP line). That might mean she was not at peak (9 tails) yet back then so she lost, but the current fully grown Golden Fox might pull it off.

    I remember that someone here once did a whole post talking about the interpretation of this sentence it's strange in the translation, but I can't find it. If I'm saying something wrong please someone correct me
    It was me. The translation was indeed strange, but this quote fixed the "I" into the correct "we" so there's no real issue now. So yes she said "we (the gods who fought Sefar back then) took an L".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennajayfeather View Post
    With Googy getting even closer by Vol. 6 and then the thing that happened to Flat, everything is just hitting Snowfield at once....lol. I mean it had been but its even worse now
    But I highly doubt things will actually go down until like 2 volumes before the end.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jennajayfeather View Post
    With Googy getting even closer by Vol. 6 and then the thing that happened to Flat, everything is just hitting Snowfield at once....lol. I mean it had been but its even worse now
    Honestly, the people that went on vacation before Gil get summoned are the only winners in this whole fucking shenanigans.

    Of course most won't actually die, but the church better be upping their mind wipe game cause boy the trauma

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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    Honestly, the people that went on vacation before Gil get summoned are the only winners in this whole fucking shenanigans.

    Of course most won't actually die, but the church better be upping their mind wipe game cause boy the trauma
    Honestly I don't know how Zel and Caubac think ayaka could help in this situation lol.

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    Well, we don't know what she actually is yet. She is not just Ayaka, we already been told that.


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    Yeah but like Gugalana is making a straight line towards snowfield which unlike fuyuki is a major city in the USA also it doesn't have the technological advantage f/z where barely no one had a camera. And this isn't even mentioning what {spoiler} is planning. So unless Ayaka have some god tier mind erase magic than I think Zel and Caubac are making a miscalculation

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    Ayaka’s practical role so far is being enough of a mana battery Richard to fill all of Richard’s needs and she doesn’t have agendas or opinions on the plot , so Zelretch’s whole plan here seems to be letting Richard handle all matters completely unrestricted.

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    But there is also the whole red riding hood thing, it apparently is not just a hallucination. Then, there is a fact that there is an Ayaka living a normal life somewhere else, so where did this one come from? And who is she really?


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    There’s this ominous premonition that’s been looming over Snowfield since the start of the series to suggest that the repeated utter disregard for secrecy and security of everyday people that’s been kept in the dark of what’s been truly going on, especially the entire disposable population of a city that exists solely for the purpose of a 80 year old ritual in this case, is eventually going to be the trigger for some world-changing event that I imagine is going to be the purpose of Ayaka being there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glazy View Post
    Honestly I don't know how Zel and Caubac think ayaka could help in this situation lol.
    With her being the "observer" (?), I think she's also how they keep an eye on the situation & it's probably them for why she's a mana battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Huh. You've explained that before, but I only just realised that actually paints Tamamo (or rather, Amaterasu, I suppose) in an even worse light, in a way, in that she could at least have tried fighting Sefar way back when, but chose not to.
    Piecing the stuff together gives makes me think that Velber-02 only fought against Mecha-Gods of Atlantis. Other deities were/are afraid of her because they are more or less on the same magnitude of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blastedspider View Post
    Piecing the stuff together gives makes me think that Velber-02 only fought against Mecha-Gods of Atlantis. Other deities were/are afraid of her because they are more or less on the same magnitude of power.
    This is factually wrong.

    Thereon, acting in the capacity of a Colossus, she ravaged the civilizations of the Surface.​

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    Annihilating all that stood within her path, she engaged the Gods that acted in the defense of Man, and did here [emerge] victorious against the majority.
    (and upon the Surface of the Earth did she also annihilate those who had descended from other celestial bodies);​
    She beat up a lot of gods, not just the Olympians, unless you think that the Atlanteans were the only civilization on Earth then.
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    Yeah pretty much all of the gods are involved, remember that she is specifically effective against concepts (the nature gods, deification of the world itself) and technology (the mecha Olympians) so all of them, be it mechas or not, took Ls. Indra's Vasavi Shakti is capable of killing her, but it was never used and we have no idea if the Mesopotamia gods straight up surrender without fighting or they did try but failed and chose to negotiate with the titan. Heck the way it was worded in the game implied that the war against the titan went on for a long time, and majority of Earth concepts who were active by that point got defeated, with the Olympians being one of the final resistance and after Mars - one of the strongest god in term of fighting - got defeated, the last hope of humanity now all put into the holy sword.

    The ancient gods despite all disadvantages did have a chance despite their odds. But the histories where any of those pantheons won would probably result in the stagnation of humanity like LB5 thus are mostly discarded, or those histories split too far from the main tree that they became their own trees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAM1232 View Post
    This is factually wrong.
    Quite likely. Still, aside from Odin possibly carving out Valkyries in her image and the deal with Sumerian Pantheon every account regarding Altera's actions in the past I can think of ties her with Olympians in one way or another. Look at what Seres posted: "the very embodiment of War" is definitely Ares/Mars specifically not "war gods" in general. Then there is her being a basis for myths about Nemesis and Athena, and her remnants turning into Giants...

    Perhaps she only defeated Olympians and every other Pantheon just resigned seeing that they don't stand a chance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    Yeah pretty much all of the gods are involved, remember that she is specifically effective against concepts (the nature gods, deification of the world itself) and technology (the mecha Olympians) so all of them, be it mechas or not, took Ls.
    I am pretty sure that at that point even the Mecha-Gods came to embody different aspects of Earth's nature like they do in the 5th Lostbelt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blastedspider View Post
    Quite likely. Still, aside from Odin possibly carving out Valkyries in her image every account regarding Altera's actions in the past I can think of ties her with Olympians in one way or another. Look at what Seres posted: "the very embodiment of War" is definitely Ares/Mars specifically not "war gods" in general. Then there is her being a basis for myths about Nemesis and Athena, and her remnants turning into Giants...
    Sefar herself is based on the fish god paintings in Tassili n'Ajjer, Sahara. It is more likely for her to be related to African deities. Surtr also has certain similarities to her with his abilities. The reason that you can link her to the Olympians is because they are currently the pantheon we knew the most about. We literally got information about their entire myth within 2 chapters. Meanwhile we barely knew anything about other pantheons, especially their origins. Once we learned all about other pantheons and they don't have any mention to her, that's when your suspicion would make a bit of sense.
    Perhaps she only defeated Olympians and every other Pantheon just resigned seeing that they don't stand a chance (being equal in power to Olympians).
    Except that she cannot be reasoned with, like Tamamo said. Even if you're down on the knee begging, the titan will still curbstomp you. That's why the case of Mesopotamia gods managed to form a contract that they will help her one time in exchange for her not fighting them was a special case and we still don't know how they managed to do it.

    And again, Vasavi Shakti exists, Tiamat exists but was sealed away long b4 Sefar arrives, Chaos was also always there. So it's not that they have zero chance, they just did not go that far. Vasavi Shakti was probably created a bit too late in the war and the holy sword beat the titan before it was finished, the Mesopotamian gods probably didn't want to take the risk of using Tiamat to fight Sefar which will wipe the planet clean regardless (beside, asking mommy for help after sealing her away for ages is not a good idea), and the Olympians did not want to merge or let Chaos into this dimension.
    I am pretty sure that at that point even the Mecha-Gods came to embody different aspects of Earth's nature like they do in the 5th Lostbelt.
    Nope. They are literally just using their functions as machines to manipulate the environment. Their mechanical functions are "close to be equivalence to Authorities". Because they are not embodiment of natures like the native gods of Earth, they have to substitute Authorities with their functions. The Olympians at that time did not "abandon their material bodies to become one with nature" like a lot of gods from other pantheons. They did not become concepts with True Ether bodies, but they were still products of an alien technology and civilization, thus they still could not escape Sefar's bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    Meanwhile we barely knew anything about other pantheons, especially their origins. Once we learned all about other pantheons and they don't have any mention to her, that's when your suspicion would make a bit of sense.
    Reasonable objection. Yet we do see Mesopotamian, Scandinavian, and Indian mythological Textures, and there is a little reason to mention Altera's connection with Olympians in the context of Extella.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    Except that she cannot be reasoned with, like Tamamo said. Even if you're down on the knee begging, the titan will still curbstomp you.
    They could have ceased pointless resistance or/and scurried off into higher-dimensions or something like that.


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    Nope. They are literally just using their functions as machines to manipulate the environment
    I don't think it makes any practical difference. Poseidon had command over the Sea, Demeter over Earth, Ares is an embodiment of War as per Tamamo's narration etc. And even mecha bodies must be made from True Ether as they're affected by Black Barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blastedspider View Post
    Reasonable objection. Yet we do see Mesopotamian, Scandinavian, and Indian mythological Textures, and there is a little reason to mention Altera's connection with Olympians in the context of Extella.
    Because in those textures all of the gods were freaking gone. Mesopotamia texture is during Gil's era where humans already took over, Scandinavian were still in Ragnarok and the only survivor was Skadi, and Indian texture was already messed up by Arjuna to the point Mara managed to escape. There were absolutely no reason to expect Sefar lore in there when it has absolutely nothing to do with the story.
    They could have ceased pointless resistance or/and scurried off into higher-dimensions or something like that.
    They only go to higher dimensions after the Age of Gods is over. Again, you're literally throwing random things on the wall to see which one sticks, and so far none of that made any sense. Not to mention this is completely off topic.
    I don't think it makes any practical difference.
    It freaking does. Literally the entire reason for why Zeus is superior to Arjuna and Skadi is because of the very fact that he is not like them. Their Authorities are not granted to them by the planet, or human worship, but from the technology of the alien civilization, so they will keep their power regardless of humans faith. The fact that they won in LB5 literally CHANGED THE IDEA OF WHAT GODS ARE to their own standard of machines = gods and nanomachines = Authorities.
    Poseidon had command over the Sea, Demeter over Earth, Ares is an embodiment of War as per Tamamo's narration etc.
    Tamamo's narration refers to all gods as a whole, she literally grouped her into that bunch. She did not specify just the Olympians.

    Also Demeter and Poseidon are terraforming ships, they don't have Authorities and command over those things, they just forcefully change those environment with their mechanical functions. This is completely different from actual Authorities which are "the rights to do w/e the heck I want".
    And even mecha bodies must be made from True Ether as they're affected by Black Barrel.
    False. They are affected by the Black Barrel is because the Black Barrel "applies the universal law of lifespan". All things in the universe, including the universe itself, has an expiration date. This is not the law of Earth but the law of the entire universe, that's why even the Types got messed up from it despite being immune to Earth's law. The bodies of the mecha gods are made out of divine steel, and from this steel their nanomachines were made.
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