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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    But how would you go from beauty to the most literal nothing
    A mage's ultimate goal, you see, is to reach the 'maelstrom of origins'. It's also called the Akashic Record, but it may be better to just regard the edge of the maelstrom as having such properties attached to it.
    The thing called the maelstrom of origins, it is probably the birthplace of everything. All phenomena flow out from it. If you know the origin, the results are naturally produced. To describe it as it is, you could say that it is the 'perfect knowledge'. By creating a standard like perfection or the like, we are ultimately limiting the concept, so even that description is incorrect. But since that the easiest way of defining it, the name stuck.
    Essentially, all the branches of magic that have spread throughout this world are nothing more than one branch of a small river flowing out from this maelstrom. This is the reason that every country has their own traditions and legends. The core is the same, but what decorates the exterior is the background of the one who understood that 'river'. Astrology, alchemy, kabbala, spiritualism, rune, the innumerable researchers. Their origins are the same, so in the end they hold the same final destination in mind. Because, they who have touched the tip of the stream that split off from the maelstrom of origins called magic, they have imagined what lay before --- the shape of the beginning.
    All phenomenon originates from the root therefore if you trace anything to its extreme or original you can get 「 」.
    or are you asking about how exact mechanic for beauty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    All phenomenon originates from the root therefore if you trace anything to its extreme or original you can get 「 」.
    or are you asking about how the exact mechanic for beauty?
    Okay so most anything can lead back to ' '
    But beauty seems something particularly difficult to reverse engineer, specially considering its non-exact nature...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    Okay so most anything can lead back to ' '
    But beauty seems something particularly difficult to reverse engineer, specially considering its non-exact nature...
    Yeah, that's the point of the magecraft, to go beyond the subjectivity of its non-exact nature, "fashion," into something truly universal in all senses.
    Like you said, it is indeed difficult to reverse engineer, because it stops being magecraft and steps into the domain of True Magic.
    "-that's quite the impressive bit of Magic."

    Having returned to the lobby of the Tower of the Moon, we were greeted by Lord Valueleta - Inorai, sitting on a couch holding a whiskey glass. Not knowing how my master's negotiations had gone, she sat here waiting in the Tower of the Moon as if it didn't matter to her which way the pieces fell.

    The open form chandelier threw a brilliant light on the gathered magi.

    Beneath that light, my master's brow furrowed slightly.

    "As a magus, I don't think you should be throwing that word around so lightly."

    "No really, what you've done here is definitely Magic. Rather than innovating a new method to do something, you made something that was impossible possible." Spinning a wrinkled finger in the air, she downed the rest of her drink. She narrowed her eyes as she shifted her gaze to the dark-skinned man on the sofa behind her. "I bet you didn't see this coming at all either, did you, Galiasta?"
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    But how would you go from beauty to the most literal nothing
    Also important to remember that " " isn't nothing, because "nothing" is still "something", namely "the absence of something", so " " is something else entirely.

    Semantics, but still
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    your ability to be wrong about literally everything you post is truly astounding. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but you haven't been right once.
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    The gay pics were the most entertaining thing going on in this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    because "nothing" is still "something", namely "the absence of something"
    I hate Kinoko Nasu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    I hate Kinoko Nasu
    That's not even Nasu. The idea that our "nothing" is just "the absence of something" is quite old.
    Because you are too young. Or too stupid. Or both.

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    It's not the idea that nothing is the abscense of something, but the idea that the absence of something "is still something".

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    for one to understand what is nothing, one must understand what is a thing. - some ancient chinese philosopher ... probably

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    strange fake has been getting pretty good since its launch but i'm worried where it will take off since there doesn't seem to be an end ahead based on the current writing
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    Arc’s real master is a boy in a school uniform

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    I'd say this kind of general aimlessness is par the course for Narita. It's kind of a Hydra of dealing with one problem (pale rider running wild) only for another to pop up (Faldeus turning Flat into a threat) at this point, but even if another one popped up now that one problem has been dealt with things should probably start winding down a bit

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    It'll never end

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    It won't end, it'll just stop with Narita's eventual death.

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    As long as Narita doesn't introduce any other villain besides Filla and Big F we'll be fine.

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    Just because it is called "absence of something". It is something. That is it has a name aka "nothing". That's why it can't be named. It is where there is everything yet nothing. The names "akashic records", "spiral of origin", "root" are just names based on individual understanding of " ".

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    道可道,非常道。名可名,非常名。無名天地之始;有名萬物之母。
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    Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
    Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
    At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
    Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
    Source: 柳宗元「其為書,處則充棟宇,出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty


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    gotta speak less moonspeak for us, unworthy mortals, dullahan.
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    Arc’s real master is a boy in a school uniform

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishitani Keiji, Religion and Nothingness, tr. Jan van Bragt, Univ. of California Press, 1982
    Here again, though, the representation of nothingness is not the issue. What is at issue is rather the nihility we find opening up before us at the ground of self-existence when we take a stand there, a nihility that really stretches out like an abyss over which the existence of the self is held in suspense. The point here is simply that nihility is always a nihility for self-existence, that is to say, a nihility that we contact when we posit ourselves on the side of the "existence" of our self-existence. From this it follows that nihility comes to be represented as something outside of the existence of the self and all things, as some "thing" absolutely other than existence, some "thing" called nothingness. The problem is that traces of the common view that simply sets nothingness over against existence as a mere conceptual negation persist. The longstanding Western view of nothingness has yet to divest itself of this way of thinking. The sunyata we speak of points to a fundamentally different viewpoint.

    Emptiness in the sense of sunyata is emptiness only when it empties itself even of the standpoint that represents it as some "thing" that is emptiness. It is, in its original Form, self-emptying. In this meaning, true emptiness is not to be posited as something outside of and other than "being." Rather, it is to be realized as something united to and self-identical with being.
    [...]
    Viewed in terms of this process, sunyata represents the endpoint of an orientation to negation. It can be termed an absolute negativity, inasmuch as it is a standpoint that has negated and thereby transcended nihility, which was itself the transcendence-through-negation of all being. It can also be termed an absolute transcendence of being, as it absolutely denies and distances itself from any standpoint shackled in any way whatsoever to being. In this sense, emptiness can well be described as "outside" of and absolutely "other" than the standpoint shackled to being, provided we avoid the misconception that emptiness is some "thing" distinct from being and subsisting "outside" of it.
    take your pick

    e: i should clarify that the sanskrit sunyata is rendered as 空 in japanese, i.e. 'kuu'/'kara' i.e. 'void'
    Last edited by Dullahan; August 20th, 2020 at 07:13 AM.
    かん
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    とう

    Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
    Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
    At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
    Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
    Source: 柳宗元「其為書,處則充棟宇,出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty


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    Yeah no I don't get it. Probsbly can't get it, either.

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    Much ado about literally nothing.

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