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    Quote Originally Posted by Janx View Post
    I wouldn't call it hypermasculinity because he's not doing any of it 'cause he's a man' or 'wants to be a man', he does it cause of the fire 10 years ago and cause Kiritsugu gave him a mission. If kiritsugu had been a woman he'd have jumped on the Hero of Justice train just as eagerly.

    How is this even about rejecting such a premise anyway? His goal remains unchanged by the end.
    But look at how manly Archer is! He has his own meme made for his hypermasculinity!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janx View Post
    I wouldn't call it hypermasculinity because he's not doing any of it 'cause he's a man' or 'wants to be a man', he does it cause of the fire 10 years ago and cause Kiritsugu gave him a mission. If kiritsugu had been a woman he'd have jumped on the Hero of Justice train just as eagerly.

    How is this even about rejecting such a premise anyway? His goal remains unchanged by the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christemo View Post
    "FAKER"
    the whole faker line is gonna make anime only people go "wtf" too since it's just so out of nowhere and never gets elaborated on

    like if i saw that i'd think "aha big G knows that archer has yet another plan, he doesnt REALLY want to kill shirou" or something like that
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    Yeah it was bad, so gj Ufo. Though I could never blame Gil or Shinji for any failure of the show because they've been beyond excellent so far.

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    Sorry but he absolutely rocked every scene he's been in so far.

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    He even saved ep 15 from being a boring flashback shitshow.

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    Was the sunset ever directly shown in the VN? I know the sky is always bathed in light like during a sunset, but I don't think a direct source of light was wver seen in the VN. Now in all the UBW made by ufo has Archer always looking at the sunet in the distance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    the whole faker line is gonna make anime only people go "wtf" too since it's just so out of nowhere and never gets elaborated on

    like if i saw that i'd think "aha big G knows that archer has yet another plan, he doesnt REALLY want to kill shirou" or something like that
    If I was an anime-only watcher I'd probably assume it's Gilgamesh telling Archer that his bluff sucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janx View Post
    Nani?
    It's one of those fiction tests that gives you a hint as to whether a piece is "sexist." If you switch the genders of a given character and the plot doesn't change, you're good.

    Hell, UBW-Shirou is doubly good since Rin's probably bisexual.

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    Don't they elaborate on the whole 'faker' thing later, anyway?

    Also, Christemo, that's really strong venom you have regarding episode 18. I know you've been negative about the show before, but that is still stronk. It feels like half your complaints may be addressed in the BD anyway, so feel free to chill some anytime dude.

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    I actually liked this episode pretty well, and thought nothing of the CG quality or 'MUH SWORD RAIN' or whatever until I came into this thread. The particularly negative reactions startled me, and even going back and revisiting some moments, there's still some criticism that I don't get. (I think some may have complained of poor animation overall and derpy faces. Don't remember any derpy faces in episode 18.) After being so used to Caster's dragon tooth minions and water skeletons when thinking of "ufotable CG," I thought UBW was cool enough, but eh. I expect it to be cool/cooler for the blu-ray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John D. Pliskin View Post
    Don't they elaborate on the whole 'faker' thing later, anyway?

    Also, Christemo, that's really strong venom you have regarding episode 18. I know you've been negative about the show before, but that is still stronk. It feels like half your complaints may be addressed in the BD anyway, so feel free to chill some anytime dude.

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    I actually liked this episode pretty well, and thought nothing of the CG quality or 'MUH SWORD RAIN' or whatever until I came into this thread. The particularly negative reactions startled me, and even going back and revisiting some moments, there's still some criticism that I don't get. (I think some may have complained of poor animation overall and derpy faces. Don't remember any derpy faces in episode 18.) After being so used to Caster's dragon tooth minions and water skeletons when thinking of "ufotable CG," I thought UBW was cool enough, but eh. I expect it to be cool/cooler for the blu-ray.

    It might be just a difference in opinion.
    I'm not particularly annoyed by this episode either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John D. Pliskin View Post
    Don't they elaborate on the whole 'faker' thing later, anyway?
    ...Sort of? It's not exactly a complex term.

    "Well, do you understand now? That is the strength of the real thing.
    No matter how well you imitate its shape and power, it is still only an imitation. It does not even approach the radiance of the real ones.

    I cannot even stand to look at a counterfeit that a faker has created.
    You piece of trash. You have nothing real within you.
    An imitation made by copying people should be turned into junk."
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    It would be hilarious if there was a Japanese League of Legends fan who had no idea Faker is an english word and got really confused watching the episode though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John D. Pliskin View Post
    Also, Christemo, that's really strong venom you have regarding episode 18. I know you've been negative about the show before, but that is still stronk. It feels like half your complaints may be addressed in the BD anyway, so feel free to chill some anytime dude.
    "G-guys, they'll fix the bad things if you pay them 400$" sounds like a really bad argument to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christemo View Post
    Ok now that I'm actually watching this instead of parroting what smart people are saying, lets get to my list of complaints and why I just bumped this from a 4 to a 3 on my MAL:

    Archer uses the term King of Knights, which might be fanservice to the Zero-people but any newcomer is probably utterly confused just as with the "Why didn't Kuzuki bop Saber on the head again after he kicked her shit in?" situation.

    The first literally seven minutes or so are just as stale as in the VN. That's not entirely ufo's fault, but I think they could've changed it so that it was a bit less sluggish. They have way too much time left anyway, so they could afford experimenting. It's not like it can get much worse.

    Cutting out 80% of the UBW chant the only time we hear Archer do it is just a a a a a a a h why. I actually really dont like Archer but it's like his most iconic moment cmon ufo I don't need more of you showing Saber with her dumb-ass ponytail instead.

    also C H R I S T UBW is worse than I expected. And then his lines are changed so that we dont actually find out that he doesn't really have a NP. All the swords he summons to rain on team good guys literally look like colorless, upsized Black Keys.

    Going with the DEEN approach of "IM JUST GONNA HIT ALL YOUR SWORDS AWAY" is bad, and ufo should feel bad. The straight-up cancellation of the RM in the VN was much superior, especially it gave a sense of utter "WTF?" the first time you read it. It could've easily been translated into an animated format. This just looked like Archer's RM was so unstable that by breaking 3 swords from it caused it to fall apart.

    Shirou's "I'm tired of your bullshit" spiel was actually pretty decent, though subs probably mangled it so GJ there crunchy.

    Archer's flashback with uninteresting Rin exposition and blatant, unsubtle symbolism reeked too much of the very "MUH PTSD" that was wholly unconvincing in season 1.

    Shinji is luckily here to save the show by warning EMIYA that he has MLG credentials and can easily block the halberd of a B-rank STR homunculus with one hand.

    "FAKER"

    a a a a a a a h saber's back to her even worse hair. Sidetie-braid-bun-ass shit never looked good and it never will.

    So yeah not even Heroic Spirit SHINJI and Gilgamesh can save this mess at this rate.



    I should just pray for my lord and savior Mercurius at this rate and hope Dies Irae wont take 8 years to be produced.
    ehh everyone calls Saber King of Knights

    Archer only said the two lines in the VN as well... Hm maybe thats why it crumbled faster?

    We came to the conclusion that since both adaptions did it this way nd with Nasu approving on the sidelines, it was probably supposed to be like this in the fist place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    the whole faker line is gonna make anime only people go "wtf" too since it's just so out of nowhere and never gets elaborated on

    like if i saw that i'd think "aha big G knows that archer has yet another plan, he doesnt REALLY want to kill shirou" or something like that
    They'll just think he said "fuckaaaa"

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    Yeah that occurred to me too, it might be that Nasu actually liked the way DEEN did it the first time and basically made it canon, just like with Overedge.
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    That or it was supposed to be just tracing and blocking in the first place, as we discussed a few pages ago the way its worded is pretty ambigious and could, instead of 'imma try swordraining just like that" just as well mean "imma make the same swords just like in that swordrain"

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    I actually want to address this "They'll fix it in the BD release" thing that Inu and John seem to think is some kind of reasonable excuse for putting out a bad product.

    Lets use an example from a business that suffers from the exact same problem: Video games. Ufotable are releasing something that's more and more obviously an incomplete product and are hiding the actual complete product, which is still of dubious quality, behind a paywall of 400$ per season. Basically they're shaving off bits of a finished game and marketing it as DLC that was on the disc/in the files the whole time.

    It's technically a good market strategy because its the ultimate form of nerdbait but holy shit is it bad conduct towards fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christemo View Post
    I actually want to address this "They'll fix it in the BD release" thing that Inu and John seem to think is some kind of reasonable excuse for putting out a bad product.

    Lets use an example from a business that suffers from the exact same problem: Video games. Ufotable are releasing something that's more and more obviously an incomplete product and are hiding the actual complete product, which is still of dubious quality, behind a zpaywall of 400$ per season. Basically they're shaving off bits of a finished game and marketing it as DLC that was on the disc/in the files the whole time.

    It's technically a good market strategy because its the ultimate form of nerdbait but holy shit is it bad conduct towards fans.
    This simile doesnt really work, as the TV anime is not the product they're getting any money from; in fact, the anime studios are paying the programs to let them air their anime, not the other way around. FRom a businesscstanspoint, a TV broadcast of an anime is basically a glorified commercial. If you're using the videogame analogue, then the TV broadcast is a Demo, the BD the finished game, and goods and merchandise the DLC.

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