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    Even if Gil was the one smashing it though Shirou's arms should still be jelly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    You can't count Rin in this. We're talking about Shirou's skills and powers, not external benefits. Or just assume Fate Shirou has Rin too.
    I'm talking about how UBW Rin converted her Magic Crest into a permanent link between her and Shirou that he can use to draw prana from, hence the prana battery term. Show me where in Fate that Rin did this and I'll exclude it from the argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Or, and this might be a novel idea, but as an adaptation that has already changed a lot for the sake of being more of a visual experience, things were changed for the sake of being more of a visual experience.
    I dunno, I personally never got the impression that Shirou did any sword raining against Archer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    lol I was wondering what people were talking about this whole time. Like having the sword take the force was a special technique or something. Hell maybe it is.
    Why do you think I was referring to the alleged technique as "magic Archer skill"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asunder View Post
    All that tells you is that Gil is so unbalanced in the fight that he's trying to destroy Shirou's weapon. The vn's format makes some things unclear exactly how it happens which is why for years we thought Shirou had a sword rain clash against Archer in UBW but considering that both Deen and Ufotable showed something different....
    The novel is pretty clear on what happened in both cases. I'm pretty sure it out right stated that Shirou copied and countered the sword rain even though he shouldn't be able to.
    Spoiler:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Or, and this might be a novel idea, but as an adaptation that has already changed a lot for the sake of being more of a visual experience, things were changed for the sake of being more of a visual experience.
    Or maybe your interpretation of a clash that we don't even get to see properly in the vn before UBW breaks down is wrong and the one given by two separate Japanese animation companies with greater access to the creator is more accurate?

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    The scene in question

    http://fsn.seorinwastaken.com/index.php?v=80
    "Don't"
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    I've copied him so many times.
    If there is nothing wrong with the theory…
    "Be ridiculous, dammit…!!!!"
    …There is no way I can't reproduce the rain of swords in front of me!









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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    I dunno, I personally never got the impression that Shirou did any sword raining against Archer.
    Well, I meant in general, I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about, but I do know that the anime changes Saber able to cut Berserker, so...


    ^See above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Why do you think I was referring to the alleged technique as "magic Archer skill"?
    It's skill designed to fight magical heroes from legend, it might as well be magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asunder View Post
    Or maybe your interpretation of a clash that we don't even get to see properly in the vn before UBW breaks down is wrong and the one given by two separate Japanese animation companies with greater access to the creator is more accurate?
    Or, and stop me before Leo gets in here, but my interpretation of ambiguity in a written product is just as valid as anyone else's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Or, and stop me before Leo gets in here, but my interpretation of ambiguity in a written product is just as valid as anyone else's?
    That's unpossible!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Or, and stop me before Leo gets in here, but my interpretation of ambiguity in a written product is just as valid as anyone else's?
    Well, I was going to say that assuming that source and two adaptations are three accounts of the same 'events,' so to speak, is a bit ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Or, and stop me before Leo gets in here, but my interpretation of ambiguity in a written product is just as valid as anyone else's?
    It's as valid as any other fan's interpretation but I'll generally take ufotables....and maybe even deen's over a fan's unless VN/WOG contradicts it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @Leo View Post
    Well, I was going to say that assuming that source and two adaptations are three accounts of the same 'events,' so to speak, is a bit ridiculous.
    Source is unclear but the two adaptations aren't. I'll take the adaptation's account over some guy on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    I'm talking about how UBW Rin converted her Magic Crest into a permanent link between her and Shirou that he can use to draw prana from, hence the prana battery term. Show me where in Fate that Rin did this and I'll exclude it from the argument.
    No what I mean is, if you're comparing their strength of projection and skill in fighting, then how much prana they have doesn't matter. It's like comparing two painters and saying one of them is better because he has more paint at home.
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    My system for accuracy goes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asunder View Post
    It's as valid as any other fan's interpretation but I'll generally take ufotables....and maybe even deen's over a fan's unless VN/WOG contradicts it.
    I suppose you'll also take DEEN's Caliburn-breaking-Gram and ufotable's Saber-cutting-God Hand too, then?

    (Nasu: Don't think too hard on this)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    Even if Gil was the one smashing it though Shirou's arms should still be jelly.
    Obviously using special babylonian wrestling martial arts so that doesn't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    No what I mean is, if you're comparing their strength of projection and skill in fighting, then how much prana they have doesn't matter. It's like comparing two painters and saying one of them is better because he has more paint at home.
    Well if one guy runs out of paint halfway through the first stroke and the other guy has enough to finish their masterpiece, what do you want me to judge them on? There's no contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    I suppose you'll also take DEEN's Caliburn-breaking-Gram and ufotable's Saber-cutting-God Hand too, then?

    (Nasu: Don't think too hard on this)
    'unless VN/WOG contradicts it.'

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    Technically the sword that broke Caliburn wasn't even named so it's another ambiguous area that the anime(s) could fill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    ufotable's Saber-cutting-God Hand too
    well vn saber cut satan's hand so why not, hyuk hyuk hyuk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asunder View Post
    My system for accuracy goes
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    The point is that there is no ranking of historical events wrt fate where the VN is 'more accurate.' They're just different.
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