The first? Actually?
The first? Actually?
Originally Posted by asterism42
Actually.
If you read the visual novel, what everyone in your comment said to you will make 100% more sense. In some scenes, his actions are altered. In episode 7 when Archer attacked Shirou, there was a second hit in the anime version, but in the VN, Shirou jumped before Archer attacked him the second time. Also in the VN when Shirou fights Lancer(episode 1 in the anime), they show him fending off Lancer longer, and when Shirou jumps out of the window, he turns around, knowing that Lancer would probably plan a sneak attack on him, but in the anime, they just show Shirou getting kicked after jumping out of the window, and although that eventually happens in the VN, Shirou fends off Lancer for longer in the VN. Shirou actually teases Rin on purpose when he's having conversations with her, but since there's little to no inner monologues in the anime, it makes Shirou just look like he's dense. Next week's episode or the episode after that(Episode 4 or 5 of cour 2) will show you how Shirou is a unique character, and near the end of the series, you'll learn some more about his character. Also, you asked if Shirou's actually like you understand him. No, he's not. He is anything but a typical protagonist, and I hope the anime covers it this season. Of course, he's not the smartest, but he is capable of thinking on the spot definitely. Yeah, like everyone else who said it, reading the VN is recommended to understand his actions.
Last edited by Saber Alter; April 16th, 2015 at 06:38 PM.
He does jump in the anime too, it's shown, Archer only grazes him the second time. Though granted that did not happen in the VN. But that's no fault of Shirou's.
They show him blocking in the anime, too.Also in the VN when Shirou fights Lancer(episode 1 in the anime), they show him fending off Lancer longer, and when Shirou jumps out of the window, he turns around, knowing that Lancer would probably plan a sneak attack on him, but in the anime, they just show Shirou getting kicked after jumping out of the window
I wouldn't be so optimistic.Next week's episode or the episode after that(Episode 4 or 5 of cour 2) will show you how Shirou is a unique character, and near the end of the series, you'll learn some more about his character.
Last edited by Akanzara; April 16th, 2015 at 06:17 PM.
In the first cour he got Saber kidnapped, but he was between a rock and a hard place. It was either giving his Command Spells away or having Taiga die. Regardless of whether he could trust Caster or not, the one truth was this: If he didn't submit, Taiga would definitely 100% die. He stopped Saber cuz he didn't want her attack to risk it. It is part of his character.
The thing with Rider is a similar case. They were in danger. There was more than one person at risk. Shirou himself, Rin, that unconscious girl and probably the whole school. By going out against Rider he would be drawing their attention and minimize the risk. At his expense, sure, but it would.
With Lancer, what else could he do? Turn away and get killed? Shirou hadn't summoned Saber yet. This dude with a spear was in his own house, and he had nothing to use against him save the poster. So he took it and strengthened it. Which was enough to deflect Lancer's first thrust. When he was kicked into the storage room he unravled the poster, turning it into a shield. Rather engenious, don't you think?
Shirou is a guy who can think fast, it doesn't mean that he comes up with good plans. And of course, he cares very little for his own life, especially if he weighs it against other people's lives. If he was given the choice between his own life and someone else's, he'd get himself killed.
But you can relax, I think... If all goes well, you should be getting insight into Shirou's character soon enough.
While I do not agree that much, Rin does seem to be far more interesting so far and I don't blame her thinking like that
Shirou values pretty much everyone else more than himself, especially a family member like Taiga. To him, his arm and Command Seals were an easy sacrifice if it meant saving the life of someone in front of him. As others have mentioned, Caster also hadn't killed anyone yet (except poor Atram ;_;), just sucked the mana out of them. Finally, Command Seals are valuable, but you can't use them to control a Servant unless you are contracted with that Servant, and there's no way Shirou could've predicted that Caster had a Noble Phantasm that let her steal contracts with other Servants.
There could've been another person in danger. Also, the mysterious assailant who nearly killed Rin wasn't confirmed to be a Servant until Rider showed up right in front of him. Until then, Shirou was just chasing down an unidentified assailant., foolishly rushed after A SERVANT in the forest(just after rin's attack),
He really didn't have any other options. It was that or die, and Shirou tries not to die (if at the least because he can't save anyone if he's dead).not to mention tried to fight off another SERVANT with a....poster.
He's no Lelouch, but he's also not Ichika. Shirou has good instincts for battle and the occasional insight as to people's abilities, but he's far more of an impulsive and emotional protagonist. I'm not sure who told you he was "unusually smart", but that's misinformative.Yet everywhere I go I hear people trying to convince me he is this thoughtful and unique guy, who makes plans and apparantly is unusually smart for a protagonist, yet so far it seems he is more reliant on his emotions than on actual brain functions.
Shirou values every other person over himself, so has no qualms about risking his own life or sacrificing himself in order to save others, such as when he agrees to give up his arm to Caster to save Taiga. As a result, he makes decisions that are illogical and very, very stupid to normal people. Shirou is not a normal person.So is Shirou actually like I understand him so far or am I missing something? I don't care about getting spoiled and this is really bugging me.
No, that's quite alright.Sorry if this came out in anyway offensive.
At any rate, I hope I answered your questions, and if you have any more, feel free to ask them!
Also, while the VN (or the LP) is a good read, there's still a second season of the anime left to delve into Shirou and his motivations. I hope you'll find it informative and entertaining!
Last edited by Rafflesiac; April 16th, 2015 at 06:39 PM.
People are probably saying he's "thoughtful" from the perspective of having played the VN, where the audience is privy to all of his thoughts. He has reasons for what he does but they're not always fully logical reasons, or he doesn't really plan them out far enough. These choices that you have described Shirou making are all results of that. Rin has already pointed out to anime viewers that Shirou has way too much disregard for his own safety, past the point of reason.
The anime doesn't show what Shirou's thinking most of the time, and doesn't even follow his POV a lot of the time, so you'd actually have to think about his motives instead of having it spelled out for you. Though that might change soon.
"Unique" doesn't necessarily mean he's a sympathetic character. He certainly does have an odd way of thinking that is not shared by the people around him, which might not be clear from the anime but it will be soon. I think it's probably better if you just keep watching. I am not sure how the anime will do it but the issues with Shirou's thinking are pretty central to the main plot of UBW, which will be revealed in a few more episodes.
Really, the disconnect you are feeling from what you're watching and what forumites are saying is because the VN is almost entirely from Shirou's POV, unlike the anime.
Last edited by mewarmo990; April 16th, 2015 at 06:24 PM.
So I have to read the VN to understand Shirou as a character and the anime isn't good at conveying this?
Perhaps, though the anime still hasn't reached the "big moment", so to speak, where all of Shirou's issues get revealed. It's all still buildup at this point where readers/viewers should be realizing "Hey, something's up with this guy..."
Last edited by Rafflesiac; April 16th, 2015 at 06:31 PM.
Sort of. This is a problem that can't really be solved.
In the VN, you literally see everything through Shirou's eyes. You are literally inside his head the whole time.
That just doesn't work in anime form.
That's actually probably the best idea if you want to know what whoever told you that was talking about. There's a world of difference between experiencing all the events from his perspective and actually knowing what he's thinking, and not getting any of his thoughts whatsoever. He gives off a fairly different impression in both mediums. Though, as to him being unusually smart and making plans for everything, that's not really true-he's more of an on the spot thinker, and while he is smarter than he appears in the anime and fairly smart all things considered, I wouldn't say he is exceptionally super intelligent.
Well....that's not incorrect.and the anime isn't good at conveying this?
Ok, about the first part. Although he gets grazed in the anime, he still gets damaged a second time. In the anime, they show him blocking in the shed. I was talking about the part when Shirou jumps out of the window, Lancer tries to stab Shirou, but Shirou turns around and blocks it with the reinforced magazine, which isn't included in the anime(although I'm fine with that.) About the third part of your comment, I agree with you, I'm getting my hopes up too high, since Miura said he would focus on other characters. I was so optimistic since I saw Shirou's character being adapted significantly better in this cour than in cour 1, but I shouldn't raise my hopes up that high. I'll set my expectations for the Shirou/Rin conversation after I see episode 3 of cour 2, and I'm not going to keep my hopes high for Answer no matter what happens probably(I'll keep them at a healthy middle.)
Well I sort of get he has some issues(and they stem from some fire related to grail war?) and his mind is not in the right place, but as a character he is still sort of generic. Will they show a different side of his character or something? Because at this point I'd find quite hard to really care for him even if he has most tragic of backstories. A lot of characters have tragic backstories, but still stay within the "usual protagonist role".
Also from the way you guys wrote your answers, I am getting that the anime is doing something wrong with his character? "read the source material" seems to give that impression so far at least and I am not sure I can dedicate time in my life for that right now at least. So is anime sufficient at learning about Shirou so far if I were to just watch it?"
It is, in fact.
However on rewatching the episode the scene doesn't seem to last for more than a second, so I can see why you'd miss it.
They haven't done particularly better with his character here than they did in cour 1, apart from the first few minutes of episode 13, though.About the third part of your comment, I agree with you, I'm getting my hopes up too high, since Miura said he would focus on other characters. I was so optimistic since I saw Shirou's character being adapted significantly better in this cour than in cour 1, but I shouldn't raise my hopes up that high. I'll set my expectations for the Shirou/Rin conversation after I see episode 3 of cour 2, and I'm not going to keep my hopes high for Answer no matter what happens probably(I'll keep them at a healthy middle.)
For now assume yes.
If you don't get him by the end, go with this.
I don't want to turn this into me screaming "Read the VN!!!", so instead I'm going to tell you to be a little more patient with the anime. We're really close to the moments that really get into Shirou's character.
I recommend the VN either way, but I think you can afford to wait this out a little longer.
Some parts in cour 1 did well, but I'd say not really for cour 1. The anime is not over yet, so I don't have an answer for now. It depends on whether this cour does a good, mediocre, or bad job of showing the type of person that he is. Then your question can be answered.
Last edited by Saber Alter; April 16th, 2015 at 06:46 PM.
So to summarize, it depends on whether they decide to adapt the original FSN or go with Realta Nua.
For the first part, thanksIt is, in fact.
However on rewatching the episode the scene doesn't seem to last for more than a second, so I can see why you'd miss it.
They haven't done particularly better with his character here than they did in cour 1, apart from the first few minutes of episode 13, though.
For the second part, I meant the beginning of episode 13 and the "graveyard" conversation. I was only basing what I thought off of two scenes, but I felt that those scenes were enough. Anyway, yeah, my expectations=healthy middle so I won't be utterly disappointed if a poor job is done in this cour.
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Realta Nua and FSN are basically the same, I thought. I thought the only alterations were removed H-scenes, remixed music, music playing at different areas, and some phrases altered or removed to suit the 15+ rating. Also Last Episode. What I was saying to MyNameIsJeff was that the anime will probably be sufficient at understanding Shirou if they do a good job this cour.
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