A NP is representative of the Hero's legend- Gil has GoB because Legend says that he owned everything. Cu has Gae Bolg because he never missed the heart. Saber has Excalibeams because she killed 1000 men in one slash. etc, etcOriginally Posted by Haseo Nanaya
CG are heroes without legends. No Legend=No NP.
Archer is just a cheating cheater who happens to have a hax ability that grants him a pseudo-NP.
NPs are crystallizations of a hero's legend. CGs have no legend.
I would presume that if they had one in life, they'd have one as a CG, but I've no sauce for that pasta.
Edit: Sniped by forumghost
You're off. It's 1800s alright, but Jack's as recent as 1891, so it's 120 years, there abouts.
Similarly, Li Shuwen in Extra was much more moden, only dying in the 30s.
Extra Servants have different criteria. It's also how Tamamo qualified despite being a Divine Spirit.
Li Shuwen is summoned in the mooncell.
And lolapocrypha.
Actually their criteria is pretty much the same, only the restriction on Eastern Heroes is lifted. Caster basically downgraded herself to participate.
Li Shuwen died in the 30s, but the Moon Cell war is supposed set around the year 2030, so it's still a 100 year gap, but he's still a hero from a more recent era.
Source: The VN
"…Tohsaka. Um, what is this 'Noble Phantasm'?"
"It's the symbol that the Servant used in their life. Heroes and their holy swords or demonic swords come as a set, right? So in other words, their weapons."
"…? Weapons… you mean like Saber's invisible sword?"
"Yeah. I don't know what history it has, but it certainly is her Noble Phantasm.
I don't think I even need to say, but heroes cannot stay in a legend with just their names.
They each have a weapon that became their trademark.
That is the most powerful weapon, called a Noble Phantasm, the crystallization of people's desire for a miracle."
"Hmm… so in short, a powerful magical item?"
"Right. To be blunt, heroes themselves cannot match powerful spells or divine mysteries.
But it's a different story when the Noble Phantasms come in.
Heroes wielding Noble Phantasms can even defeat spirits of several ranks higher.
It's because most holy and demonic swords appearing in legends are close to the level of sorcery."
On the other hand, he's got super-human kungfu that normal people can't possess. Shuwen is more likely to qualify than normal modern humans, what with his ability to turn invisible and shred people's souls with his bare hands.
And considering his invisibility is said to be beyond magecraft.
My whole point there is that he's a hero from the last century. Living (Sorta) proof that heroic entities can rise from modern humans. I'm not denying any sort of difficulty in achieving this level, but if Li Shuwen, who learned a martial art to the level of 'One who cannot be matched' it shouldn't be entirely impossible to achieve this with a crappy rifle of the same era as Li Shuwen.
There's also the part where he was only summoned from the moon cell, where people who aren't heroic spirits can be summoned.
^^Maybe if you were such a good shot that you were able to warp the laws of reality to your whim. And even then you'd need to get around the 'no modern weapons' clause.
Simo Hahya couldn't shoot people in the soul or change bullet trajectories. He was an awesome if normal dude, never mind that there are likely better snipers than him alive.
Nameless farmer was SO good at killing birds with his sword he broke the laws of physics, yet he's not a heroic spirit. Why would Simo Haya be?
He broke Laws of inertia by killing 5 guys with one bullet from an incredible distance. the 5 guys were wearing armour most likely with a gun that by all acounts shouldnt be able to send a bullet through one body if not at point blank. there you go he broke reality.
So much the same criteria, you get to see Excalibur Image, Alice, Arcueid and Ryougi as Servants.
since he's a real person of course not. but in the nasuverse he probally did.( thats how no one survived getting shot by him, it was there soul he shot)
Not good enough, I'm afraid. He needs to do stuff like Rip Van Winkle level bullet trickery.
I'm pretty sure the Real Li Shuwen never ripped a guy's soul apart with his bare hands either, but we are dealing with a certain level of fiction here.
Because his name was forgotten, and yet the feats of nameless men came together to create a Wraith on the level of a Heroic Spirit.
So why wouldn't a man whose name is remembered amongst the thousands with the same skill set, not be?
When everyone has the same weapon, was taught the same things, surely the one amongst the millions whose name rose above the rest is worthy of being a heroic spirit?
This. Get me a rifle shot that requires you actually bend space-time, then maybe you'll have people who'll buy it.
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