Beast's Lair History

[Tobias]

I submit that they hate both warnings and warners.

they hate warners so much they even hate yacko and wacko. And don’t even get them started on Dot!

[Ideofago]

Then we shall build a monument to such reckless hate.

[aldeayeah]

We can re-open General News while we're at it. Just for Christemo.

maybe this time we can convince LLL to stay inside

[Seika]

This absolutely never happened. food's popularity with the userbase was inversely proportional to his popularity among the staff, and I can only dream of the day we declassify the mod forum at least partially to show exactly how much of a shitshow they were.

Besides whatever was irretrievably lost to report text, and we can only infer from the staff discussion of those threads, this went as far as direct PMs to the staff outside reports too? People were upset with food, did think he was being protected. Factually. No identities revealed.

Go ahead with this if you want, but I think that it's going to hurt a lot more than you think it will. My feeling is that you're underestimating both the degree to which people in general will react, and how significant the translator aspect is.

There are only two reasons why that awful jerkcase of a poster gets to stay: Number one, he's a fucking moonspeaker-translator. Even some people in BL admit that food is no longer different from Mike in stirring bullshit like that but the only difference is he's a moonspeaker and BL loves it's moonspeakers, no matter how much of a bunch of insufferable motherfuckers some of them are. Really. If I were the fucking admin, I'll rather ban food for his attitude or any other moonspeaker-translator who acts like a bag of bloody dicks to show that one's ability, no matter how in demand in a place is, is not an excuse to go carte blanche with the rules and act like a damn bastard. Yes, I repeat, I'd rather see a BL struggling to translate the newest TM work than to have some asshole run amuck in BL and not get punished because he's the damn translator and he's in demand.

Is food always such a raging asshat, or did he suddenly go full retard?
I vaguely remember him being at least somewhat reasonable.

I concede that I am gradually but surely being proven wrong on at least one point.

[Sesto]

i wish i spent my early internet years on BL partaking in drama instead of doing the same thing but on bungie.net

[Leftovers]

This absolutely never happened. food's popularity with the userbase was inversely proportional to his popularity among the staff, and I can only dream of the day we declassify the mod forum at least partially to show exactly how much of a shitshow they were.

Besides whatever was irretrievably lost to report text, and we can only infer from the staff discussion of those threads, this went as far as direct PMs to the staff outside reports too? People were upset with food, did think he was being protected. Factually. No identities revealed.

Go ahead with this if you want, but I think that it's going to hurt a lot more than you think it will. My feeling is that you're underestimating both the degree to which people in general will react, and how significant the translator aspect is.

There are only two reasons why that awful jerkcase of a poster gets to stay: Number one, he's a fucking moonspeaker-translator. Even some people in BL admit that food is no longer different from Mike in stirring bullshit like that but the only difference is he's a moonspeaker and BL loves it's moonspeakers, no matter how much of a bunch of insufferable motherfuckers some of them are. Really. If I were the fucking admin, I'll rather ban food for his attitude or any other moonspeaker-translator who acts like a bag of bloody dicks to show that one's ability, no matter how in demand in a place is, is not an excuse to go carte blanche with the rules and act like a damn bastard. Yes, I repeat, I'd rather see a BL struggling to translate the newest TM work than to have some asshole run amuck in BL and not get punished because he's the damn translator and he's in demand.

Is food always such a raging asshat, or did he suddenly go full retard?
I vaguely remember him being at least somewhat reasonable.

I concede that I am gradually but surely being proven wrong on at least one point.

I mean, you do realise that I know who you're quoting in the first quote and we both know what his death threat-toting, schizo opinions on BL are worth, right? Pretty easy to say you want to see BL die when you're a 7th hermit and hate everyone outside of it. You should've included the part where he said he would've banned everyone who thinks food (and C_V) are funny if it was up to him.

But sure, it was never in doubt that some people wanted food gone. My response is to the misrepresentation of the comments other people made about food's status, which present the picture of a majority who held such opinions and clamoured for his ban, which is absolutely not true. If this popular anti-food sentiment ever existed I must've failed to spot the celebrations among the posts about how it was a damn shame that he went out this way.

[Seika]

People didn't need to dislike food to see that he was being toxic, which is indeed the theme of most of the contemporary discussion of the ban: they wished he hadn't gone out like that, but it seemed inevitable from the way he was posting. As to the provenance of that post, the contention is not whether it was a "worthy" person who expressed the sentiment, only that the sentiment was expressed, and that the staff saw it and took it on board.

[Rafflesiac]

Okay but Death threat-kun is a bit more than an "unworthy" source

[AAM1232]

Seriously better ways to kill boredom than this.

[Ideofago]

I don't need to kill boredom to be entertained
Otherwise, I pity pacifists

[RacingeR]

Now, my memories about this are fairly vague by now, but I remember the whole "food knows he won't be banned for being a moonruner" being a bit of idle speculation that was born in the IRC chat when people were wondering about his behavior in his last month or so of presence in the forum.

I'm fairly sure, however, that the theory of megalomaniacal food who thought that could get away with anything was born from a bit where he more or less said that he was imitating Mike-esque behavior, and this was in the epoch where Altima and Mike were still buddy-buddy and the latter was still basically babied by the admins of the time. I vaguely recall his increasingly toxic behavior was being based on how much shit Mike got away with at the time and his distaste for the current content of GD at the time.

This is fairly vague since it has been a long time since them. I recall finding his behavior annoying at the time and thought that ironically he'd contributed to worsening GD's content instead. But now after reading what Spin had to say about it I'm wondering if he was as toxic as I recall or if we sort of just Mandela Effect'd into believing it. Either way I'm fairly sure that the whole situation with Mike had to do with it (and toxic or not, that food got banned way before Mike was kind of pointed to there being a big problem with the moderation back then).

[Kamera]

I'm pretty sure it's more productive to let food come in, even for a moment, and let him explain himself than endlessly making up headcanon about him.

[Ideofago]

If you consider unbanning any of his sockpuppets, could it be Indian Snake Meat, please?

[Mattias]

maybe this time we can convince LLL to stay inside

You know it's pretty easy to quarantine LVL, all you have to do is start a Loli Appreciation Thread and post new lewds there every four hours or so.

[Tobias]

Now, my memories about this are fairly vague by now, but I remember the whole "food knows he won't be banned for being a moonruner" being a bit of idle speculation that was born in the IRC chat when people were wondering about his behavior in his last month or so of presence in the forum.

I'm fairly sure, however, that the theory of megalomaniacal food who thought that could get away with anything was born from a bit where he more or less said that he was imitating Mike-esque behavior, and this was in the epoch where Altima and Mike were still buddy-buddy and the latter was still basically babied by the admins of the time. I vaguely recall his increasingly toxic behavior was being based on how much shit Mike got away with at the time and his distaste for the current content of GD at the time.

This is fairly vague since it has been a long time since them. I recall finding his behavior annoying at the time and thought that ironically he'd contributed to worsening GD's content instead. But now after reading what Spin had to say about it I'm wondering if he was as toxic as I recall or if we sort of just Mandela Effect'd into believing it. Either way I'm fairly sure that the whole situation with Mike had to do with it (and toxic or not, that food got banned way before Mike was kind of pointed to there being a big problem with the moderation back then).

i don’t…actually think this is the case as I am pretty sure mike was banned in ‘12 and food made it to ‘13. At least that’s what a quick skim of used notes seemed to be

[RacingeR]

Weird, I recall food being mean to Mike in cat hell being fairly near to when he got banned.

[Tobias]

I’m not gonna pretend I’m invested enough in this conversation enough to double check my work but again a minute ago when I skimmed the posts food looked like he must have made it at least 6 months longer.

[SeiKeo]

Yes, I repeat, I'd rather see a BL struggling to translate the newest TM work than to have some asshole run amuck in BL and not get punished because he's the damn translator and he's in demand.

I guess that worked out well for the daily post rates

[I3uster]

I guess that worked out well for the daily post rates

While the discussion is fun and all I don't think food can carry the forum on his own back, that would have needed to be a well timed wiki near FGO release. You can't push back the tides of reddit being the only site on the internet without offering something that can compensate for its juiced SEO.

If we had 1 webdev nerd on staff who wanted to do nothing but hack wikis together it would have had the effects of 20 foods, but considering this is an actual job you can't expect people to do that in their off time.

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Like I like Uncle and all but the Petri/Comun combo juiced our traffic pretty significantly.

[mAc Chaos]

BL traffic in 2013: 600 posts a day average

BL traffic in 2021: 200 posts a day average

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