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    1. Being a Heroic Spirit, let alone being able to use a Noble Phantasm, does not mean a Heroic Spirit has the ability to function as a magus. See Kojiro as a good example.
    2. And?
    3. And?
    4. The events of Fate/Extra and Fate/Extra CCC do not occur in the same, um, dimension as Fate/Stay Night. Timelines diverged after the 3rd Holy Grail War, correct?

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    Oh Tokiomi. Damn, when someone says Tohsaka I think Rin.

    It's said again in UBW.
    Close combat isn't restricted to swordsmanship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Its more like he gets overwhelmed, swords spams to get clear, gets overwhelmed, sword spams until clear, repeat until he gets bored of making saber look good.
    Except there's no need to swordspam both times she actually gets in melee.

    In Oldest King she's forced to retreat by the random effects.

    In the first part of Stay Night she gets him on the defensive but again ends up being the one forced to back off.

    Both times he doesn't actually sword rain, just fights her in melee with randomized weapons.

    The only time he actually backs off from melee is in UBW, and by that point she has much better stats than him.
    Last edited by Siriel; June 30th, 2014 at 09:23 PM.
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    no it doesnt, it says specifically Saber corners Gil repeatedly but gets blocked by his wall of phantasms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    4. The events of Fate/Extra and Fate/Extra CCC do not occur in the same, um, dimension as Fate/Stay Night. Timelines diverged after the 3rd Holy Grail War, correct?
    Extra diverged in the 70s. You're thinking Apocrypha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    no it doesnt, it says specifically Saber corners Gil repeatedly but gets blocked by his wall of phantasms.
    Read the full scene. Only the handles are out of GoB and he takes them in his hands. Only after she backs off and they chat for a little bit do the weapons turn around for the actual sword rain.
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    EDIT: forgot who I was talking to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    reads pretty clear to me, says weapons behind him are blocking the sword strikes, dude cant even draw from the gate fast enough to outmatch shirou, he is firing them at her to push her back.
    "Saber dodges the swinging sword and moves deeper into the enemy's range"

    "Escaping danger, the golden knight Gilgamesh has another sword in his hand."

    "They move without Gilgamesh touching them and they aim at Saber.
    The weapons, whose handles were only visible before, all show blades now and await their master's order."

    (As an aside, "whose handles were only visible before"? Really, translators? Are they super-visible now?)
    Last edited by Siriel; June 30th, 2014 at 09:31 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    "Saber dodges the swinging sword and moves deeper into the enemy's range"

    "Escaping danger, the golden knight Gilgamesh has another sword in his hand."

    "They move without Gilgamesh touching them and they aim at Saber.
    The weapons, whose handles were only visible before, all show blades now and await their master's order."

    (As an aside, "whose handles were only visible before"? Really, translators? Are they super-visible now?)
    Surely you know what they meant just by context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuradora View Post
    Surely you know what they meant just by context.
    ...What context?

    Does Gilgamesh have invisible telekinetic hands with which to hold swords and I somehow overlooked it all this time?

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    Oh unless you mean the translation. In which case I was just joking because they phrased that really awkwardly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    ...What context?

    Does Gilgamesh have invisible telekinetic hands with which to hold swords and I somehow overlooked it all this time?

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    Oh unless you mean the translation. In which case I was just joking because they phrased that really awkwardly.
    I meant the translation and the paragraph.
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    @Under the Hill

    1. Not... exactly. Sure, Servants and their NPs are magical in nature, but that doesn't mean they can use magecraft. And regarding Kojiro, Tsubame Gaeshi is so rue-breaking that anyone would be surprised upon recognizing the attack for what it is.
    2. Fair point, I guess.
    3. She was able to summon a fake Assassin. But fair enough, I guess?
    4. No, F/E is a divergent reality.

    A question has been raised that not being a high ranking Mage Gilgamesh would not be able to support summoning a servant. I argue that he is more than suitable enough, Glgameshn possesses a noble Phantasm and in their own right are magic in nature. He is also 2/3 Divine and possessed Immediate Action Rank A (the ability to survive without the aid of a master or mana supply, relying solely on his own Mana) and this should be more than enough to allow for him to call forth a servant. (and arguably allow his servant self to survive even if his own mana is not enough.
    There is no established connection between having Divinity and being suitable to being a Master. And IA is needed for the servant himself to be alive-but-not-well. Unless Gilgamesh has a NP that produces prana, all the prana he gets is needed for himself. That's why he was eating the souls of children in the church's basement for ten years. I think you are overestimating IA ability to support a servant.

    In the end I agree with You. He could, maybe, but there's no reason for him to do so.


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    Technically he just nommed on those orphans to make Kirei happy;he didnt actually need the prana, since he has a real body due to beeing incarnated. Which means he technically isnt a servant anymore by that time.Though id say if he could summon a servant, he wouldve already tried to summon Saber or Enkidu for more personal reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    "Saber dodges the swinging sword and moves deeper into the enemy's range"

    "Escaping danger, the golden knight Gilgamesh has another sword in his hand."

    "They move without Gilgamesh touching them and they aim at Saber.
    The weapons, whose handles were only visible before, all show blades now and await their master's order."

    (As an aside, "whose handles were only visible before"? Really, translators? Are they super-visible now?)
    Its not just the handles the flickering lights themselves are also NPs. Which could be what she was talking about.



    "I have told you that I have no wish. I do not care how Kotomine will use the Holy Grail.
    For now, my only concern is you."

    As if in answer to Saber, the golden knight raises his hand.
    At the same time, the air behind him sways like a haze.
    The king's treasure, hundreds of Noble Phantasms, are loaded like bullets.
    That is why she has continued to attack without a thought for saving her energy.
    She has cornered the enemy like this more than a few times.
    But stillshe could never get past his wall of Noble Phantasms.
    The handles only appeared after he started taking out weapons. So yeah, just cause the handles are showing doesn't mean he couldn't shoot weapons out. I think this is even pointed out in zero as well.


    And not being blades is visible just lolCGs.

    See Fate/zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Break View Post
    Technically he just nommed on those orphans to make Kirei happy;he didnt actually need the prana, since he has a real body due to beeing incarnated. Which means he technically isnt a servant anymore by that time.Though id say if he could summon a servant, he wouldve already tried to summon Saber or Enkidu for more personal reasons.
    Nah, he would've wanted to conquer Saber the old fashioned way, and he thinks of Enkidu as his equal so he probably thinks summoning him as his Servant is disrespectful.
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    the old fashioned way
    ORIGINAL ​courtship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    Its not just the handles the flickering lights themselves are also NPs. Which could be what she was talking about.


    The handles only appeared after he started taking out weapons. So yeah, just cause the handles are showing doesn't mean he couldn't shoot weapons out. I think this is even pointed out in zero as well.


    And not being blades is visible just lolCGs.

    See Fate/zero.
    I have no idea what you're trying to say in the context of this conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    Nah, he would've wanted to conquer Saber the old fashioned way, and he thinks of Enkidu as his equal so he probably thinks summoning him as his Servant is disrespectful.
    Gilgamesh wouldn't summon Enkidu.

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    Would he summon El Kid?

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    Maybe the real reason Gilgamesh can't speak the name anymore is because he found out that the entire universe, including himself, spelled it wrong and boy was that embarassing.
    Last edited by Siriel; July 1st, 2014 at 12:11 PM.
    Ragnarok, come day of wrath
    That fallen souls might bear our plea.
    To hasten the Divine's return.
    O piteous Wanderer.

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