Heaven's Feel Movies

[eddyak]

This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, why is this not a thing

IIRC I screenshotted that bit when the movie came out, it was great.

[yokushi]

I just finished watching the second movie. I haven't really been following the discussion so I don't know what people think of it, but honestly it was mostly ok. Sometimes it felt like a montage of all the highlights without really explaining what was going on.

The movie explains the plot well without entering into long winded explanations. As far I saw, even non-VN readers got what was happening so I would say they trimmed the fat to a point it was still easy to follow. I think that's also one of the reasons for the great reception and ratings the movie had, other than well the plot starting to get into the actual conflict.

[ballinamon]

I really have NO idea what you are talking about. Kirei talks about Kiritsugu at leaat 3 times in HF. Which one are you referring to?

In the fistfight with Shirou where he tells while fight the wrongdoings of Kiritsugu in the war but because Zero didn't exist yet the info was different.

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This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, why is this not a thing

Because the fight make for Ufotable was visually more beautiful and entertaining even if it was lore-wise incorrect, and the only people that prefer the first over the second are 55% of TM fans and that is not worth it.

[Yggdrasil]

In the fistfight with Shirou where he tells while fight the wrongdoings of Kiritsugu in the war but because Zero didn't exist yet the info was different.

Are you sure you are not thinking about the Fate route?

[ballinamon]

Are you sure you are not thinking about the Fate route?

Actually I don't sure, but one scene like that was, and there is only two Kirei vs Shirou fight so one of them.

[Trubo]

Because the fight make for Ufotable was visually more beautiful and entertaining even if it was lore-wise incorrect, and the only people that prefer the first over the second are 55% of TM fans and that is not worth it.

Eh, as someone who thinks ufotable did that fight poorly, I think the DEEN movie went too much in the other direction, based on that clip. Once they're in the graveyard, it's a much closer match between the two.

[Inuhanyou]

Arturia was clearly losing in DEEN's UBW movie, until Archer shot the arrow. But she should have been holding her own under the cover of the cemetery.

So technically both adaptions were incorrect.

[John D. Pliskin]

Ah. A few things from several pages back. First to thank Koto for letting me know (reminding me?) of the translated script from Shinji's drama CD!

Well I translated it way back when it came out so if anyone with video skills is interested be my guest

Finally just gave it a read-through of the whole thing-- it was quite satisfying! Though I have a feeling I may have enjoyed it more listening to Kamiya as Shinji; i unfortunately didn't have the patience this time to read along at the pace of his voice. Maybe another time, I'll listen myself, or when someone feels like making an .mkv afterall-- maybe the translation ought to get a bit more advertisement somewhere (uh, reddit maybe?) to get a better chance at having a video made. I'm sure listening might help me make better sense of the ending of that drama CD- I thought Shinji was simply talking to the listener (you), but then it somehow sounds like Shinji's audience was going to pull out a friendmaker on him in the dark? It felt ominous!

It's somewhat a shame an explict backstory didn't make it into the body of the film, but then again, it's not like we've gotten explict flashbacks for anyone other than Shiirou and Sakura in the HF films by this point. And then there'd be that probable disruption of flow, too...

Sakura literally has pieces of her mother's tainted vessel inside her. Hell, didn't the HF manga make it more overt and have Sakura dream of the three founders making the grail.

don't talk about aoi's bountiful womb that way

I know there's something of a joke somewhere between these two comments, but.... Sakura has pieces of Aoi's "tainted vessel"? What "tainted" vessel? Is this a weird typo, because otherwise this is news to me but apparently not news to anyone else due to the lack of commentary in later postings.

[madarra]

I think the interview shinji is doing is actually just a tsukuyomi(the kind from naruto) that Sakura cast on him as she sliced his brain

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The first quoted comment has implied subject of illya, second one made a joke by ignoring the implied subject.

[Kotonoha]

I'm sure listening might help me make better sense of the ending of that drama CD- I thought Shinji was simply talking to the listener (you), but then it somehow sounds like Shinji's audience was going to pull out a friendmaker on him in the dark? It felt ominous!

Spoiler:

there was never any audience

[Winter]

The real Friend Maker was the tentacle that severed Shinji's spine along the way

Shitpost aside, that was a great read Koto, (late) thanks for translating!

[John D. Pliskin]

I think the interview shinji is doing is actually just a tsukuyomi(the kind from naruto) that Sakura cast on him as she sliced his brain

Spoiler:

there was never any audience

I guess there's an awful lot of overlap between these two statements, huh.

/internal screams/

The first quoted comment has implied subject of illya, second one made a joke by ignoring the implied subject.

Oh, so semantics did a number on me again. "Her mother's tainted vessel"= Illya's mother= Irisviel, gotcha. Whew, honestly thought some forbidden deep lore flashed before my eyes.

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Hey, so this has been nagging me a bit, especially ever since it's come into animated form: how does Sakura slip out of bed away from Shirou on these nightly feastings, anyway? Does she "slip into" her own shadow and become one with it, or something like that? And for that matter, why has her physical body been starting to manifest itself together with the Shadow into the war-- in other words, why does she seem to be closing the distance between her corporal form and her Shadow, lessening the degree of apparent autonomy of the Shadow? Is there an advantage to this; is she able to eat more this way? Or is she achieving more "oneness" with the Shadow thanks to the natural progression of the War, and thus her heightened proximity to the Shadow can't be helped? Otherwise, I can't imagine why she'd put her physical body more "in danger"... and thus get herself skewered by Gilgamesh. (And she recovers from that thanks to... what, Imaginary Space whachamacallit? Or even something else that the film/route may explain or allude to?)

Maybe there is no "rational" explanation, and this strangeness regarding Sakura's situation is supposed to be inexplicably horrific, at least for most film goers. Which can be cool in of itself. Though with Nasu being Nasu, I doubt there'd be no real explanation to these things at their core (even if no time is given in the films to explain them).

[Wandering Swordwoman]

Alternate mean of HF

[Levani]

My brother didn't like it... the action lacked for him, shame.

Also he said about the animation quality dropping which I thought was ridiculous but I just watched the movies back to back and yeah, I think he's right. Anyone else notice something?

[TomPen94]

Care to give a specific example?
For me the animation for standard scenes was about as good as the first, and the sakuga moments (ie LancerVsAssassin and AlterVsHerk) are better in the second...

[Levani]

As much as I like Herc VS Alter, the characters themselves don't look as detailed as Lancer VS Assassin for example. Kinda like there's less shading? Don't know how to describe it, since I'm not very knowledgeable in this field.

I'm not saying there was anything wrong with the animation pff, as if, but I kinda feel like there was a downgrade.

[warellis]

Did anyone feel the fight between Salter & Herc was too flashy and bright? Some people I've talked to felt the animation was so bright it was kind of hard to tell what was happening.

[yokushi]

As much as I like Herc VS Alter, the characters themselves don't look as detailed as Lancer VS Assassin for example. Kinda like there's less shading? Don't know how to describe it, since I'm not very knowledgeable in this field.

I'm not saying there was anything wrong with the animation pff, as if, but I kinda feel like there was a downgrade.

I think you and your brother are having a mass hallucination.

The sakuga, the 2D-3D blend and the digital effects are definitely better in this one.

[Yggdrasil]

As much as I like Herc VS Alter, the characters themselves don't look as detailed as Lancer VS Assassin for example. Kinda like there's less shading? Don't know how to describe it, since I'm not very knowledgeable in this field.

I'm not saying there was anything wrong with the animation pff, as if, but I kinda feel like there was a downgrade.

That is not animation. That is drawing detail. Usually, the more complex and fluid an animation is the more difficult (and useless) is to keep detail.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

Don't give your brother alcohol while watching