Heaven's Feel Movies

[Laserman]

Whatever quibbles I've had with aspects of Mela Lee's performance of Rin, I'm not sure if I've ever thought "deadpan"? Unless we're talking about this trailer primarily, and if so, I guess I can see that. (Though I don't think Ueda's delivery of that dialogue was special originally anyway... and then there's how the sound mixing in dub trailers may be done better for the same scenes in the film itself.)

I don't have any problems with Mela Lee, I like how confident and dignified she sounds as Rin.

[Nobody]

Though it was "close quarters" in the sense that they were on the same relatively small stage, it didn't feel like 'traditional' CQC either-- Cursed Arm kept dodging and reading Cu's moves, throwing weapons maybe but not daring to actually make bodily contact.

And look, if Ancient Magus Bride can have a dragon erupt from a fiery building in London and all the civilian populace seems to notice are strange tremors, I'm willing to bet it's not all that hard to not notice a blue man and a black man fight at crazy fast speeds on top of vehicles at night.

Its one thing when the cars behind the truck are swerving out of the way (not even honking their horns), but the actual truck driver not noticing what's going on?

The cool fight suddenly becomes dumb.

[forumghost]

The car fight was dumb. The driver not noticing what was going on and swerving the truck every which way was dumb. Cu and Cursed Arm engaging in close quarters on the back on the truck was very dumb.

And speaking of, rip to that poor truck driver that definitely died in that explosion.

The car fight just made me think of RotS. I kept expected CA to jump off the truck and declare "it's over Lancer, I have the High Ground"

[Wandering Swordwoman]

"You underestimate my chikara"

[Rafflesiac]

Mela Lee's Rin is trash. Way too nasally and not even close to cute enough.

[John D. Pliskin]

Its one thing when the cars behind the truck are swerving out of the way (not even honking their horns), but the actual truck driver not noticing what's going on?

The cool fight suddenly becomes dumb.

Have you ever ridden in the cabin of a box truck? The rattling can get pretty intense, so combine that usual background noise with late working hours and I bet the driver is willing to let some things slide.

Anyway, screw rational human rules, we have the rule of cool to worry about. Besides, I find it kind of silly we're only now worrying about what the muggle population thinks when the series rests in part on the premise that hardly anyone notices what goes on at nighttime in the first place.

I don't have any problems with Mela Lee, I like how confident and dignified she sounds as Rin.

Nice, someone is finally replying to a point I made beside the one I made about the car fight! Bless

Really though, there are other things that I mentioned that matter more to me than the car fight. Like the question of Illya, or the relevance of that earring(?) I have little to no memory about. Though I guess I could wait to rediscover the earring's relevance in the floor itself...)

[Nobody]

Look man, I just can't find it in me to be awed at Servant Fights on Trucks when the execution wasn't good.

[John D. Pliskin]

Mela Lee's Rin is trash. Way too nasally and not even close to cute enough.

A lot of the time when English voice-actresses try to sound "cute", though, how real does it sound to you? From what dubs I've seen lately, they've felt uncomfortably more fake then not. Maybe Mela Lee as Rin sounds a bit forced in her own way, but there's an upper-class-like cadence and distinctiveness to it that I don't think I see replicated much elsewhere.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what kind of "cute" you'd like to see from an English Rin performance.

[Rafflesiac]

I want both sides of Rin, not just one that's badly done.

[Shelby]

Matou Shinji ruined this movie for me.

From the very first second of the movie, as soon as he appeared on screen, I was wholly captivated by this seaweed. Whenever his scenes ended, I would impatiently wait for his second appearance "Where is Shinji?" where is that boy? I need to see more. You can't just give me one scene then blue ball me for 30 minutes. You just can't. He ruined this movie for me in the best way possible.

Or maybe it's the hype talking here, I only just finished watching it like 2 hours ago.

I made this account just to talk about my newfound love for Shinji. Forgive me for the incoming text that may or may not be related to Heaven's Feel. I have a problem ¯\_( ◉ 3 ◉ )_/¯

When I first watched UBW, my first exposure to Fate. I wasn't particularly fond of Shinji. The direction of the series made him overly comical, I get the intention but it honestly made me roll my eyes more than anything. From there I went to Fate/Zero then after I heard of the first movie adapting the third route, I decided to read the VN. My OCD of not getting the first route bothered me that much. I guess wakame charmed from then! I have a weakness for salty villains (Yes, I will forever defend my love for Petunia too. Not getting a hogwarts letter sucked) being jealous of a sibling because they have awesome magic powerz is something I can totally get behind. Doing anything to get said power is also something that I can understand. I ended up cheering for him even though the intention is obviously not that. It's probably because he tries so hard, over the course of the VN. You get to see Shinji fail in all sorts of way, no one can say that the boy is undetermined! That's a virtue, right? You just can't help but cheer for him o̶r̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶m̶e̶

Spoiler:

The moment that sealed it, however, was definitely his death in Heaven's Feel. To be specific, Zouken's line of him finally getting to be useful like it's somehow good that he managed to break his sister in the middle of dying. Thank you, grandpa. You are much too kind. Maybe I'm slow but that is when I looked back and thought back on why was he so set on being a magus. It's overshadowed by Sakura's SUFFERING, but when all of his previously pathetic attempts was just to be considered useful by his family then I can't help but feel sad. You would have to be heartless not to feel anything there. His breakdown after Rin shitting all over him was downright one of the highlights for me. You finally get someone to tell Shinji off but the aftermath is also heartbreaking. Even while I was experiencing Shirou's story, Shinji was also going through his own development in the background, except that his was a downward spiral of shit.

Shinji a best. I will forever hate Nasu for dropping his route, how can one make such horrible decisions in their life? Why is he so unpopular? When will someone other than me and pixiv artists recognize his greatness? Thank god I still have Hollow Ataraxia to look forward to, I've heard that Shinji is even better there.

[mAc Chaos]

You have to try harder than that Koto.

[Broke]

You mean that whole first half of the Cu/TA fight, or the sequence that had Hassan throwing cars at Cu and Cu exploding a car with Gae Bolg? I'd sympathize more if it was the latter, but if it's the former, what in the what? And after ufotable worked so extensively and tirelessly on that particular scene...

The entire fight until Cu murders a truck driver.

Roller-skating dog is stupid, but everyone already knows that. The truck bed part is bad its own way. There is zero movement, as Cu's right foot has been welded to floor of the CGI truck. The entire fight's choreography is awkward as hell because of that, and the camera going nuts doesn't help.

It's an example of a scene that looks good technically, but has little substance. Both in-story and out of story, the fight doesn't make any sense. It's basically a tech demo that got shoved into the movie.

[Bobin]

protection from arrows as portrayed by the movie

[Shelby]

I liked Lancer vs Assassin a lot, it's cool, and I'm simple. I get that it doesn't make a lot of sense (RIP truck driver, RIP Kotomine, RIP assassin can't match Lancer in a fight) but it was so unapologetically awesome. It helps that I love Assassin, so him getting to be one of the kewl super stronk servants made me happy.

I guess I'm easily satisfied ¯\_(⌣̯̀⌣́)_/¯

[Wandering Swordwoman]

that's the problem. Assassin is not super strong

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Agree It has many unnecessary move in truck fight, but I think it's cool and that's all matter

[Wandering Swordwoman]

Finally, someone uploaded it

[Shelby]

Now I want her to actually call him Senpafl

[John D. Pliskin]

Yeah, if we worried about characters exhibiting "many unnecessary moves" all the time, we'd get a lesser animated film. Good animation is constantly full of the superfluous; without it, we'd have a more boring end product.

Anyway, that sakuga guy kVin offers a better run-through of that fight and how cool it is than I could ever hope to. (Check the link out for the sakuga examples referred to)

─ And if we’re talking about backgrounds, there’s something else that had a huge impact on the production: the 3D environments. They’re present throughout the whole movie, but the sprawling 3D model of Fuyuki city they built for the fight between Lancer and True Assassin easily takes the cake. Takahiro Miura’s absurdly ambitious action concepts got enabled to a whole new level, leading to a long sequence that was very taxing on the team (the overview cut on the road took 24 retakes for example) but that turned out to be the one they’re clearly proudest of. Miura’s desire to put together thrilling, over-the-top sequences that use space but aren’t really concerned with keeping it consistent is something that I’m always fond of, but the most impressive feat here is the synchronicity between the hand drawn and CGi elements, which is unparalleled when it comes to action in anime; sure there is a bit of an aesthetic clash between the character art and the photorealistic cars, and that digital explosion is a bit of a sin, but the way they made such a complex scene feel like a cohesive piece of animation is simply mind-boggling. Relatively unknown ufotable ace Akihiko Uda animated the part on the truck, while perhaps their most popular animator Masayuki Kunihiro followed up with the rooftop chase – which includes the official meme cut – but I feel like the credit for a scene like this really should go to both the animation and digital teams. What they put together wouldn’t be possible without everyone’s help.

[Spartacus]

Maybe, I'm the only one that likes how Ufo handle background CGIs. Including the cars.

[Broke]

Yeah, if we worried about characters exhibiting "many unnecessary moves" all the time, we'd get a lesser animated film. Good animation is constantly full of the superfluous; without it, we'd have a more boring end product.

Anyway, that sakuga guy kVin offers a better run-through of that fight and how cool it is than I could ever hope to. (Check the link out for the sakuga examples referred to)

Good fights tend to have good animation, but that alone does not guarantee a good fight. You can have a shitty fight with good animation, but you can also have an amazing fight with mediocre animation.

The car fight is neither superfluous nor a good fight, it's filler that creates more questions than it answers. To start, why are servants fighting in open space when Lancer made a big deal about not being witnessed in the series? Why does truck driver-kun not realize that explosions are going off behind him? How is Hassan fighting Lancer in melee? How did Lancer make Gae Bolg grow 10 meters in length? If he could do that the entire time, why didn't he poke Assassin with his 10 meter stabby stick at the swamp?

It's jarring, especially when you consider that literally everything else in the movie is consistent. It's Gae Bolg whip levels of silly.