Heaven's Feel Movies

[Gyrad1]

Anyone who thinks the adaption is great is wrong. Sudou clearly hates Illya and maybe Kirei so much that he cut their characterization in lost butterfly and illya's final moments in spring song will not have any impact to people who are anime only, only those who played the VN. also, fuck sudou for downplaying Rin's mage side to her and for not portraying shirou's struggle with his ideals and his relationship with sakura is poorly handled. i fucking hate sudou so much

[Ataraxia]

Anyone who thinks the adaption is great is wrong. Sudou clearly hates Illya and maybe Kirei so much that he cut their characterization in lost butterfly and illya's final moments in spring song will not have any impact to people who are anime only, only those who played the VN. also, fuck sudou for downplaying Rin's mage side to her and for not portraying shirou's struggle with his ideals and his relationship with sakura is poorly handled. i fucking hate sudou so much

I was mostly keeping myself anime-only with HF so far, but not anymore. Was fairly disappointed in several parts like these. Even then, I could tell I was genuinely missing out despite not having played the VN's version. I for one, was particularly not a fan of the pacing either.

Good thing I'll have a year or so to finish the VN from now.

[Inuhanyou]

It was a good adaption, but like others said...there were clearly things cut for posterity, time or just priority in general.

I get this being a sakura route, but you need to atleast include basic points of interest that allow people to latch onto the other plot point. Illya for anime only's is a lost cause, due to the fact that unlike the VN, there isnt even any context for her character in ufotable's adaptions. Since they never adapted the Fate route the audience doesnt know a thing about Illya's character, so in UBW she's just there to die really, and so HF she is just there for the most part and the reasons for what she does are not there.

If ufotable are catering to people who got in through zero, they have spectacularly failed here on this aspect, as simply expecting people to have read the visual novel(or watched deen stay night atleast?) is a bridge too far.

[Yggdrasil]

...and so, the slow but inevitable descent from almost universal appreciation to almost universal loathing (typical of any anime adaptation in existance) has finally begun.

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[Ataraxia]

I have at least seen several scenes from HF through a few YT clips.

What were your thoughts on the following changes?

-Kirei not being mentioned to be the one to transplant Archer's arm onto Shirou (nor explaining how it works)?
-The manner in which Gilgamesh died?

[Wandering Swordwoman]

No anime only that will get Ilya. As she only show up at the start of F/Z, at the start of FSN UBW and in the middle, no fate route adaptation

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Anyone who thinks the adaption is great is wrong. Sudou clearly hates Illya and maybe Kirei so much that he cut their characterization in lost butterfly and illya's final moments in spring song will not have any impact to people who are anime only, only those who played the VN. also, fuck sudou for downplaying Rin's mage side to her and for not portraying shirou's struggle with his ideals and his relationship with sakura is poorly handled. i fucking hate sudou so much

...and so, the slow but inevitable descent from almost universal appreciation to almost universal loathing (typical of any anime adaptation in existance) has finally begun

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[Yggdrasil]

I have at least seen several scenes from HF through a few YT clips.

What were your thoughts on the following changes?

-Kirei not being mentioned to be the one to transplant Archer's arm onto Shirou (nor explaining how it works)?
-The manner in which Gilgamesh died?

The explanation was made by Rin.
Gil was great.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

People who are expecting too much vs people who don't really hope much

[Inuhanyou]

again, dont think its a bad adaption, i think its pretty decent actually, but without context, it would be almost nonsensical on its own. the one scene i'm glad they actually added was the taiga scene, because illya gained atleast a bit of context there. But rushing through the material will still hurt despite that.

And as for Shirou...yeah...its hard enough in a visual medium as opposed to a written one to translate the intricacies of his character, but rushing to get from plot point to plot point as well? It takes away Shirou's sense of agency. He just reacts to events and the weight of those events and the decisions he has to stew over isnt there in many cases.

i would not be suprised if people just get the impression of HF shirou by the end as a forced edgy MC in the same way studio pierrot did for kaneki of tokyo ghoul due to rushing and changing that series. Context for these characters does matter in the end

And while i get that there are certain things that just wont be possible due to the format, if its done right there should a way to make up for a lot of the deficiencies

[Ataraxia]

**The explanation was made by Rin.**
Gil was great.

I know. Just wondering if that part got to anyone.

Then again...

Then again, I don't know how long Shirou would've been able to hold out to get to the Church all the way from Illya's castle for Kirei to be of much help on time.

Gil was... ​yikes. Edited: But I guess good for what they wanted to portray.

[Trubo]

Anyone who thinks the adaption is great is wrong. Sudou clearly hates Illya and maybe Kirei so much that he cut their characterization in lost butterfly and illya's final moments in spring song will not have any impact to people who are anime only, only those who played the VN. also, fuck sudou for downplaying Rin's mage side to her and for not portraying shirou's struggle with his ideals and his relationship with sakura is poorly handled. i fucking hate sudou so much

Illya I can understand, but did we watch the same movie regarding your other complaints? Shirou literally has a dream sequence of him pleading with not!Emiya beheading Sakura to show him turning his back on his ideal, they couldn't have done a better job without including every internal monologue of his about that word for word. Kotomine they moved some of his commentary from the end of the route to a sort of original scene regarding his motivation. As for Rin, I'm not sure what specifically you were hoping for regarding magus aptitude since HF ain't the route showing that for Rin.

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Even for Illya's lack of screentime, what we had in this movie + the Taiga scene are pretty much all people need to know about Illya at this point in time, especially if the assumption is that people are coming from Zero.

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Shinji was handled pretty well too in thanks to Part 1's backstory bit.

[yokushi]

It was a good adaption, but like others said...there were clearly things cut for posterity, time or just priority in general.

I get this being a sakura route, but you need to atleast include basic points of interest that allow people to latch onto the other plot point. Illya for anime only's is a lost cause, due to the fact that unlike the VN, there isnt even any context for her character in ufotable's adaptions. Since they never adapted the Fate route the audience doesnt know a thing about Illya's character, so in UBW she's just there to die really, and so HF she is just there for the most part and the reasons for what she does are not there.

If ufotable are catering to people who got in through zero, they have spectacularly failed here on this aspect, as simply expecting people to have read the visual novel(or watched deen stay night atleast?) is a bridge too far.

Illya doesn't need that much more with what they did here and they did in UBW. In the UBW anime they expanded a whole episode to give us her entire backstory, really.

I was mostly keeping myself anime-only with HF so far, but not anymore. Was fairly disappointed in several parts like these. Even then, I could tell I was genuinely missing out despite not having played the VN's version. I for one, was particularly not a fan of the pacing either.

Good thing I'll have a year or so to finish the VN from now.

I actually think they handled Shirou pretty well by even showing his inner turmoil represented by his Mind of Steel self.

The movie overall handles better some parts than the VN ever does actually.

[Ataraxia]

That's good to read. Actually, I take back my highlight on the Shirou part. Trubo makes a very valid point in them portraying Shirou's struggle to fulfill his ideal and decidiing whether or not to still believe in a future for Sakura. Particularly that knife scene.

[Kratosirving]

In the end, when we look back at all 3 films in a few years time I think there's going to be a consensus that LB is the weakest of the 3, but I ultimately I believe that most people are going to jump back to the films rather than the VN when they want to relive the HF route. :|

[yokushi]

In the end, when we look back at all 3 films in a few years time I think there's going to be a consensus that LB is the weakest of the 3, but I ultimately I believe that most people are going to jump back to the films rather than the VN when they want to relive the HF route. :|

I don't know, people seem to like this one more than the first one. Even in Japan it got better reviews and Twitter exploded with people praising it.

[Inuhanyou]

Illya doesn't need that much more with what they did here and they did in UBW. In the UBW anime they expanded a whole episode to give us her entire backstory, really.
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i disagree. illya in particular needed the context she got in fate route for people to care about anything in UBW, and again supplemented by her actions in HF to give greater context.

To begin with, the ufotable UBW having her be gone 99% of the story and cramming her entire story into a single flashback episode expecting people to care was already haphazard enough without fate route. but now HF further cuts out specific scenes, its supposed to be enough for her character growth regarding what happens later? I don't really get that viewpoint.

Saying "we know that illya is kiritsugu's daughter and she thinks of shirou as a brother" is enough to actually have people care about her character actions doesn't really fit without that connection to the character.

[yokushi]

i disagree. illya in particular needed the context she got in fate route for people to care about anything in UBW, and again supplemented by her actions in HF to give greater context.

To begin with, the ufotable UBW having her be gone 99% of the story and cramming her entire story into a single flashback episode expecting people to care was already haphazard enough without fate route. but now HF further cuts out specific scenes, its supposed to be enough for her character growth regarding what happens later? I don't really get that viewpoint.

I agree that not having Fate to show her other more scary side hurts it, but the UBW backstory added more than her UBW appearance in the VN ever did, and here they needed to create a narrative for the movie and hers had to be shortened and rearranged. Yeah it's not the same as the VN but they do a lot with the time they put her, even in the first movie like when Shirou is brutally mauled by Berserker and she notices that she is not getting any satisfaction from it. There is a lot of subtle characterization in these movies.

[Trubo]

In the end, when we look back at all 3 films in a few years time I think there's going to be a consensus that LB is the weakest of the 3, but I ultimately I believe that most people are going to jump back to the films rather than the VN when they want to relive the HF route. :|

If you mean Presage Flower then sure, cause I know lots of people rag on it for having so much Sakura and Shinji backstory in it. Lost Butterfly is the best Fate anime adaptation that's been done so far. Like, I can't really remember anything in Presage Flower that struck me as a "wow" moment, but boy oh boy does Lost Butterfly's Sakura in Wonderland absolutely cement the tone of HF.

[Laserman]

Lost Butterfly is the best Fate anime adaptation that's been done so far.

The second movie in a trilogy, which is what almost 2 hours, compared to the other anime with 24 episodes is the best?

[Trubo]

I agree that not having Fate to show her other more scary side hurts it, but the UBW backstory added more than her UBW appearance in the VN ever did, and here they needed to create a narrative for the movie and hers had to be shortened and rearranged. Yeah it's not the same as the VN but they do a lot with the time they put her, even in the first movie like when Shirou is brutally mauled by Berserker and she notices that she is not getting any satisfaction from it. There is a lot of subtle characterization in these movies.

Mhm. Wish that 3-5 minutes or whatever was wasted on the first Assassin/Lancer fight scene in Presage Flower had gone towards doing one of the Illya/Shirou scenes instead, but that's a missed opportunity.

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The second movie in a trilogy, which is what almost 2 hours, compared to the other anime with 24 episodes is the best?

The UBW anime thread has more than enough commentary on my part about why I disliked the UBW anime, but yeah, I'm liking the HF movie adaptations as a whole by far, with Lost Butterfly being the best.