Honestly, I kind of wish they had used Illya's reduced role to foreshadow a Normal End path for the movie where she doesn't show up to save him. IMHO the decision to lessen her role in the most important arc of her story was the greatest flaw in any Fate adaption.
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Illya's role is also my biggest issue with these movies. If the reduction had actually led to the normal end that would have been kind of clever though.
Watched the movie and all I can say is "It's worth the wait".
Sakura fanboy directed this, so yep, I can see that this adaptation is made with love and care, what with the delay of 2020 and all.
Might not see all the parts of the VN especially with Illya's explanation of her magic to Shirou and placing Shirou's consciousness (if my crappy memory of VN reading in LP archives serve me correct) in a tree as an example, but the adaptation did a great job nonetheless.
And dang it, that soundtrack of four rings did justice to the Rider vs. Altered Saber fight. Gasped like a little girl when Rider taunted Saber that the latter is still worried about Shirou's well - being, and to that I say "No, you did not just do that burn".
It's like watching a superpowered catfight after that taunt.
Not dealing with it...
Why even try?
This is golden...
Well yeah, it does. See, and I'll be completely frank and honest here, since its good to be candid, but I really can't tell what people expect at this point. I don't expect that the movie to get unanimous praise, but some things are head scratching.Originally Posted by GarlandGreene
Its been this way for awhile, but people seem to be completely contradictory imo. I see people saying they couldn't feel how Shirou really felt about Sakura in the VN(though I could and have pointed those out), so Sudo laser focused their relationship in the time allotted, so that he could get everything down pat, as not just a Sakura fan, but a Fate fan in general.
That, and I did mention this before, but they cut pertinent Sakura/Shirou bits for time as well, like their convo in Distant Twilight (which was really good for characterization and highlighted Sakura's feelings about magecraft, Rin, and Shirou, along with being a sobering talk on those topics)as well as a really touching moment in Beautiful Aria. Shirou's fear about the arm likely seems rushed to you because in the route itself that was hammered home quite a lot. Count the amount of times he aludes to removing the shroud or the "then cut it off" moments.
That kind of setup needs time for the payoff, time they didn't have. If you want to set up that same payoff, you'd need to do it the same way, including having him try to remove the shroud with Rider, a separate scene of trying to remove it again, Rin's daring him to take it off, etc. Then you'd need the other training montages, because there were parts to those that fit the atmosphere of the group dynamic breaking down due to stress and anxiety. Bait as it was, Gyrad is right in that this route does need those setups for the ultimate payoffs, making cliff notes on it isn't as satisfying. But since the director had movies to do it with, I think it was the best that could be done and to keep things flowing coherently, so you don't have a lot of super quick and nonsensical shout scenes to sate some fans of this character or that, but a fully woven narrative.
Oh, and I believe the interview says that Shirou was able to recover his memories due to soul save state, although that part was always a bit hamfisted in the VN because chunks of amnesia like that would be much more problematic over time, and it was often used as an excuse to knock on the narrative by anti-HF people. Kinda nice how fanon is being slowly weeded out after all these years.
Mate I just really really liked that moment. So it was a bit of a bummer not seeing it is all.
burn your dread you coward
I mean I agree with this, especially if we're talking about the first 2 movies, but Spring Song makes it clear that its main focus shifted from Shirou and Sakura to Shirou and Illya, Rin and Sakura as well as some Kirei sprinkled in-between. I would have been fine if they decided to change things and make a climax that's more suited to the film version of Heaven's Feel but that's obviously not what we got since they played it safe and simply adapted the events as they were in the VN. In that sense, having the brief montage of Shirou reminiscing about his life with Sakura and how much he cherished that now that it has been taken away from him is enough to make the viewer understand his current goal and the reason behind why he fights, especially when the film is so strapped for time.
That's why I said the movie didn't need a Naruto-esque flashback montage followed by a powerup in the middle of the final battle to get the message across.
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Just why is this so good?
nobody will mention the little shadow familar? dont remember it on the VN.
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About the epilogue, several anime onlies could not got it, and just like most of the the trilogy "flaws" its due to time , but for someone who is already a fan, see touko as a cameo is cooler than any exposition.
When i hear hara wa yuku for the firstt time i tought..."this song is too emotional for the true end as in the VN, butt too cathartic for normal" and my idea was.." this sounds like the true end, but is somewhat a bit melancholic" and thats exactly what we got. The montage with rin and sakura was indeed better than the straight time skip of the VN, and it inforced my preference for it over normal, is not a fairytale ending, its broken people moving forward.
At the start, did shiro closed shinji eyes? Oher good touch, even if he ended in a very bad place, they used to be friends
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why is Aimer still a thing
Satisfied with the movie overall though. The previous moments to the Berserker fight really lose some impact without a track like Kami no Na Motoni. But that's just me I guess.
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Which is funny because it's a realta nua track!
Because you are too young. Or too stupid. Or both.
It's a rearrange of the kotomine theme from fsn though, church on top of the hill/all the world's evil
Dunno what the original had in that scene though. Footsteps of destruction? Whirl of fate (the strings only version maybe)? Some other "tension" track? Maybe storm's premonition lol, original game loved that track, was nerfed hard in RN
I have a real hard time remembering which CG/tracks were in the original tbf
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don't quote me on this
The original had no bgm in that moment. Two pages after (from "I have to be determined") Ever-present feeling starts.
Because you are too young. Or too stupid. Or both.
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I believe it's based on a Takeuchi sketch of what Sakura's familiars would look like if she wasn't siphoning from the Grail
The little shadow familiars have been a thing since more than 10 years ago yeah.
Ah kienai omoi another of those omnipresent workhorse tracks from the original OST
Everpresent feeling into Emiya is always a nice one-two though
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From an encyclopedia entry, iirc?
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Watched. God bless ufo, this truly was a heaven's feel.
Ok, was is the excuse here for a Grand instead of 7 ganging on him?
I don't think the original text actually specifies if single or multiple.
Going by KH in Babylonia and Orion in Atlantis though, only one Grand seems to be summoned per Beast?
I'd assume either the Human Order being wonky means all seven cannot be summoned at once, or the true threat that requires all seven Grands at once isn't the Beasts after all. I think they've reiterated Seven Grands being summoned a couple times since London, so I'd assume it's the former.
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