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    Quote Originally Posted by astagadragon View Post
    I thought there are like 4 writers in FGO? There is Nasu ofc, but also Higashide, Sakurai and Meteo. Nasu basically only writes the core story of main contents, the three of them expand it...

    With Nasu focusing back on Tsukihime you'd think he relegates FGO contents to his 3 co-workers...
    They are just tired of being punching bags for fans and Nasu stabbing them in the back by churning out new lore without discussion.

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    It boggles my mind why they don't just make another Grail Frontline to fill in the dead week. They've got all the assets and stuffs ready to use already.


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    Quote Originally Posted by astagadragon View Post
    I thought there are like 4 writers in FGO? There is Nasu ofc, but also Higashide, Sakurai and Meteo. Nasu basically only writes the core story of main contents, the three of them expand it...

    With Nasu focusing back on Tsukihime you'd think he relegates FGO contents to his 3 co-workers...
    Nasu's the main, then there's the four heavenly kings of Higashide, Sakurai, Minase, and Meteo and a bunch of guest writers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnesFleetingGlory View Post
    Are they allowed to write without supervision?
    No. Epic of Remnant was special exactly because it was the one time the writers could do their things completely unsupervised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDB View Post
    Reminder that Nasu isn't the only writer. I don't think he does many events either, focusing MOSTLY on main story chapters. So him being lazy has basically zero bearing on the lack of events and shit scheduling by DW. That's them not caring enough to get the other writers to do anything. I suspect there's a very lackadaisical attitude of letting the writers submit ideas for events but otherwise not pushing anything themselves beyond Summer and Christmas.
    The writing for events and story comes from TM, it is not DW job to look for writers or anything like that since TM basically control the creative parts of the game.

    Though I don't think the bad schedule is connected to the writing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astagadragon View Post
    I read somewhere that DW already laid off some of their staffs. The cancellation of Tokyo Dome event last year really hurts them I think...

    If that so, why don't they push new contents to cover their losses? Give us no-break banners and events like it was 2016 once again?

    Sometimes I really don't understand how DW's marketing works...
    Pushing out new content with no quality is bad because people can tell and speculate. Pushing out new character banners/bait banners is also bad because usually it's a sign that the game isn't doing so well. It's a lose-lose situation. They do need to churn out more content but I still prefer the current pacing since it doesn't try to gobble my wallet every month with 2 sets of new events and new characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDB View Post
    Reminder that Nasu isn't the only writer. I don't think he does many events either, focusing MOSTLY on main story chapters. So him being lazy has basically zero bearing on the lack of events and shit scheduling by DW. That's them not caring enough to get the other writers to do anything. I suspect there's a very lackadaisical attitude of letting the writers submit ideas for events but otherwise not pushing anything themselves beyond Summer and Christmas.
    Yeah! We need more Butch Gen events. Give us bad endings and pepeHands.
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    With the plethora of writers TypeMoon has, I'm almost certain that writing the story isn't the limiting factor in how fast new content out. The limiting factor is almost certainly fast DW can make the content. DW, from what I understand, is relatively small compared to how much money they make and for whatever reason they don't mass hire more people and thus have a limit on how fast they can produce content.

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    I have to agree I don't think it's an issue on the writers' end, though Nasu needing to go over and approve approve everything assuredly does slow down writing to an extent (especially on top of doing the same oversight for LNs and games and so on). But I think the biggest reason for the slow schedule is Aniplex and/or DW just not wanting their cash cow to end. But we'll probably never know for sure.

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    Well, 2-san is certain they can keep this game alive for another 5 years despite the way things are currently right now, according to an interview. As if that's even possible without actually going and creating a 2.0 version because there's so many things that have aged very poorly compared to other mobages in terms of QoL that it's one of the reasons people just move to other mobages IMO.

    It's sad that in the list I created 2 years ago of things that definitely need a redesign in the game, the only things that have disappeared is the poorly implemented CCs and the lack of Strengthening Quests. The rest is still there, including the shitty dailies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    No. Epic of Remnant was special exactly because it was the one time the writers could do their things completely unsupervised.
    Huh, that makes me interested in hypothetical EoR 2.0, with the writers wisen up and figuring out where they err, and then wanting to try their hands again. Though it being a “one time” and possibly experimental could mean there won’t be another, and they might be too wary to do it again I suppose.

    For newbies, would’v been nice for DW to implement more events to a Main Interlude-like feature so newcomers won’t have to miss out on those, along with the welfares, which is possibly a huge turnoff for them. That would attract more players and keep them motivated. Justifiable if it costs RPs, since they’re seasonal events and the like, as long as the requirements aren’t too outrageous.



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    Quote Originally Posted by manafusion View Post

    Yeah! We need more Butch Gen events. Give us bad endings and pepeHands.
    The Zero collab was very fun without any bad ends. Feels like a parody to F/Z. Lostbetlt 3 was big fun and ends on a happy note as well.

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    There is something seriously wrong with DW's production pipeline if it takes them a year to make a new servant. Unless the designs just sit in Takeuchi's or Nasu's desk for eight months I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO9p5JMGv!p9 View Post
    There is something seriously wrong with DW's production pipeline if it takes them a year to make a new servant. Unless the designs just sit in Takeuchi's or Nasu's desk for eight months I guess.
    FGO has already crammed out more Servants in 5 years than TM did the previous ten and change. I can't believe people have forgotten we used to complain about how quickly they'd churn out more Heroic Spirits that either made no sense at all (remember Okita Alter?) or were blatantly pandering to the fanbase (Jalter... actually I think nearly every Alter in the game qualifies) Often both (Hello, swimsuits!). One year might be a long pipeline when it comes to other gacha games where either nobody cares about the lore or the lore is game-original so they can do whatever they want, but it's the least I expect from T-M.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GDB View Post
    Reminder that Nasu isn't the only writer. I don't think he does many events either, focusing MOSTLY on main story chapters. So him being lazy has basically zero bearing on the lack of events and shit scheduling by DW. That's them not caring enough to get the other writers to do anything. I suspect there's a very lackadaisical attitude of letting the writers submit ideas for events but otherwise not pushing anything themselves beyond Summer and Christmas.
    Nasu requires all content to be approved by him though, writing or otherwise. Doesn't matter how big or small DW or TM writing team are if the bottleneck is Nasu and nobody forces Nasu to do his damn job or delegate it out to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rxrx View Post
    The Zero collab was very fun without any bad ends. Feels like a parody to F/Z. Lostbetlt 3 was big fun and ends on a happy note as well.
    I know. I was meme-ing a bit.



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    Damn, is 26/4 stream still possible? Japan is going to lockdown, barring most activities from 2000. Its curfew again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rxrx View Post
    Damn, is 26/4 stream still possible? Japan is going to lockdown, barring most activities from 2000. Its curfew again.
    It's going into a State of Emergency, not a lockdown.

    Tougher restrictions such as banning restaurants and bars from serving alcohol and asking major commercial facilities to temporarily close will be in place from Sunday through May 11.

    "We will implement short and intensive measures during Golden Week, strengthening steps related to eating establishments and temporarily halting the flow of people," Suga said in announcing the decision at a COVID-19 task force meeting.

    Spectators will effectively be banned from large events such as professional baseball and soccer games. Train and bus operators will be asked to end operations earlier on weeknights, with reduced services on weekends and holidays.


    Eating establishments will be asked to close by 8 p.m., while those serving alcohol or offering karaoke services will be asked to close entirely, with a fine of up to 300,000 yen ($2,800) for offenders.
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    A quasi-state of emergency is already in effect in the major cities of Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto as well as in Hyogo and six other prefectures, consisting of measures including the 8 p.m. cutoff for restaurants and bars, and capping attendance at large events at 5,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO9p5JMGv!p9 View Post
    There is something seriously wrong with DW's production pipeline if it takes them a year to make a new servant. Unless the designs just sit in Takeuchi's or Nasu's desk for eight months I guess.
    Well

    Calamity Jane was stuck in limbo for like 4 years.

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    I'm biased to blame this on DW for being incompetent tbh. Their scheduling still doesn't show any signs of improvement even after these past few years.

    Early 2021 made you think damn DW is finally getting serious with all these events huh? Then this ultra dry period happened for the xth amount of time and made you think damn they still can't manage shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GundamFSN View Post
    Well

    I'm biased to blame this on DW for being incompetent tbh. Their scheduling still doesn't show any signs of improvement even after these past few years.

    Early 2021 made you think damn DW is finally getting serious with all these events huh? Then this ultra dry period happened for the xth amount of time and made you think damn they still can't manage shit.
    I think both is to be blame. We all know Nasu is a lazy lying ass, and since he is putting effort in Tsukihime and Melty Blood, DW has the responsibility to make sure he provides in time for FGO as well. No.2 choose to appease Nasu and drag on, even giving us more dead weeks.

    COVID is a world wide event, but DW cannot use this as an excuse forever since other games are churning out stuff pretty much on time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz1337 View Post
    Well, 2-san is certain they can keep this game alive for another 5 years despite the way things are currently right now, according to an interview. As if that's even possible without actually going and creating a 2.0 version because there's so many things that have aged very poorly compared to other mobages in terms of QoL that it's one of the reasons people just move to other mobages IMO.

    It's sad that in the list I created 2 years ago of things that definitely need a redesign in the game, the only things that have disappeared is the poorly implemented CCs and the lack of Strengthening Quests. The rest is still there, including the shitty dailies.
    There are loads of things they could do to make the downtime not feel as slow. Like they need to immediately add a replay option for bosses (not just Kiara) from the story and from events for people to replay. They need to allow replay of old events that gave welfare Servants for people. These are just two very basic changes that should have been implemented yesterday, if I'm honest.

    There are more radical things they could go for (I believe they should) such as doing away completely with the current dailies and replacing them with more engaging - and more REWARDING - content. They would probably just substitute them with Grail Fronts if I were to guess. Long ago I suggested a tower climb type run where you wager QP to climb higher in the tower and the fights get tougher but so too do the rewards. You can drop out at any point if you don't want to change your winnings anymore. It's just one of many ideas they could go for.

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