Thread: Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    I'm not sure an extra cour would have changed more for penguin drum, I felt like my bigger issue with it was trying to even understand what the hell was even being conveyed in the final stretch.

    Also honestly whole GWitch needed more cours, the resolutions some of the characters ended with were just kind of....baffling and I don't think even 50 more episodes would have fixed it. Like them having Guel go through several consecutive worst days of his life, get kidnapped by terrorists and see the shitshow that people like his father's company are complicit in letting unfold on earth....to have his grand resolution being to go back and be a good CEO who would not have had anything to do with earth again going forward if Miorine wasn't his business partner
    Penguindrum is not super complicated, it just uses a lot of cultural reference to skip explaining things to you. Night on the Galactic Railroad is only the beginning. You can very clearly tell there was supposed to be an entire season all about Mario that's just not in the show for some reason. But I would still say it's his most internally coherent work besides Utena, it gets a lot worse from there.

    In retrospect, you can very much tell Utena was made by 5 or so very brilliant people of which Ikuhara was the very literate abstract ideas guy, and he badly needed everyone else to present and execute them in a way that makes sense to the audience. But while Hideaki Anno, with whom he has much in common, is somewhat humble about most of his work despite ultimately including very personal material in it, and while Anno accepted that his work will be different in a different studio sans Ultraman references, Ikuhara kind of acts like he made it all on his own, and kept making increasingly deformed versions of his life's greatest work.

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    Penguindrum was good, his shows after that weren’t though.

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    Penguin drum made me cry buckets so I do adore it but I also the several layers of incest bait and switch that had zero point at their core baffled me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Squirrel View Post
    always chaotic-evil threat
    They aren't but whatever. Enough digital ink has been spilled about this.

    The fight against the demons isn't the point, the point is indeed the effect it had on her. And that is only the point insofar as the demons are concerned, as I don't see Frieren's specific demon hangup as the point of the story. Rather, the exploration of grief, nostalgia and regrets while also learning to cherish what you have now, is the point.
    That's right, but examining her reasons for ultimately joining the hero party and her backstory requires an in-depth examination of the relationship between demons and humans. Frieren is not just a static character who goes "holy crap Fern, this is JUST like that time I pulled down my paaants...", she changes as a person over the course of her new journey. Right now only her relationship with Himmel and his death has been addressed because it's the thing weighing on her mind the most heavily, but all the sub-plots have something to do with her. Lord BriSerie and the Mage's Association ties back to Flolomon which ties back to Frieren's love for magic. Kraft and the ancient heroes ties back to Frieren's elf lineage. And the demons tie back to her trauma and original motivations. These are all things which have an endgoal.

    So yeah, I think demons are just a shiny thing people latched on because it is shiny and easy to understand. And it is easy to understand, on purpose.
    If it were easy to understand we wouldn't be having this conversation. Demon discourse is infamous for a reason.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    I guess Prospera essentially turning into a vegetable and Eri being forced to spend the rest of eternity in an unmoving keychain was considered punishment enough?
    Narrative doesn't paint their fate in the epilogue as bad, Shaddiq even takes all the blame(despite being arrested BEFORE Quiet Zero) for the sake of his crush's in-laws
    Prospera just got nerve damage from Permet, she was already like that since start of the story and mask served as treatment for it
    Keychain was some miracle crap that has no logical sense(even Eri says so)

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    The show would have been better if Secelia laughed at more people.

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    Also if Chu Chu got to punch more people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Link0306 View Post
    Penguindrum was good, his shows after that weren’t though.
    If you want to see a pretty good, less deep but charmingly earnest, tribute to Utena, written by someone who was actually involved in Utena (Enokido), I can wholeheartedly recommend Star Driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratman View Post
    If you want to see a pretty good, less deep but charmingly earnest, tribute to Utena, written by someone who was actually involved in Utena (Enokido), I can wholeheartedly recommend Star Driver.
    I heard that one for rough in its second half didn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Formless Creature View Post
    Take it back
    Okay yuri itself wasn't the problem but imo it should have been better written since it was most advertised part of the show.
    It felt like close friendship to romance was abrupt and off-screen and more one-sided from Suletta part because of the cliché "betrayal" plot to make drama.
    Also there's not even a kiss, it's one of those where it's so tame one could argue they are just very close friends

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratman View Post
    If you want to see a pretty good, less deep but charmingly earnest, tribute to Utena, written by someone who was actually involved in Utena (Enokido), I can wholeheartedly recommend Star Driver.
    Bro I love Star Driver, though wish it got more of an actual ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GD3713 View Post
    Okay yuri itself wasn't the problem but imo it should have been better written since it was most advertised part of the show.
    It felt like close friendship to romance was abrupt and off-screen and more one-sided from Suletta part because of the cliché "betrayal" plot to make drama.
    Also there's not even a kiss, it's one of those where it's so tame one could argue they are just very close friends
    I understand your other points but they had fucking rings at the end, nobody was saying they were very close friends (except the dumb execs at Bamco lmao).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GD3713 View Post
    Okay yuri itself wasn't the problem but imo it should have been better written since it was most advertised part of the show.
    It felt like close friendship to romance was abrupt and off-screen and more one-sided from Suletta part because of the cliché "betrayal" plot to make drama.
    Also there's not even a kiss, it's one of those where it's so tame one could argue they are just very close friends
    Okay if your argument is "there should've been more yuri" then that's a based take

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    Quote Originally Posted by Link0306 View Post
    I understand your other points but they had fucking rings at the end, nobody was saying they were very close friends (except the dumb execs at Bamco lmao).
    You have no idea the kind of eye-meltingly bad stuff I've read online



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    Quote Originally Posted by GD3713 View Post
    Narrative doesn't paint their fate in the epilogue as bad, Shaddiq even takes all the blame(despite being arrested BEFORE Quiet Zero) for the sake of his crush's in-laws
    Prospera just got nerve damage from Permet, she was already like that since start of the story and mask served as treatment for it
    Keychain was some miracle crap that has no logical sense(even Eri says so)
    Tfw I hated Shaddiq for being a snivelling incel who is fine with his crush maybe dying in his planned terrorist attack but the thought of the formerly abusive dude who was perfectly fine with letting marry her """"tainting"""" her was apparently a step to far for him but still felt baffled on how he suffered more than the hags who were playing musical chairs with the genetic codes of orphans to pilot their illegal robot

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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    I heard that one for rough in its second half didn't it?
    It wasn't too bad when I watched it on release, but in part that's because I did so along with an entire /a/ thread decoding the runic alphabet crap as we did.
    It also got a visual novel to expand on some parts of the setting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Link0306 View Post
    Bro I love Star Driver, though wish it got more of an actual ending.
    The ending is pretty much perfect, because it acknowledges that you can't stay young and innocent forever, and pretty much states that Takuto's insistance on it is morally questionable, and makes him do morally questionable things.
    The story continues afterward, the movie even starts with a scene of Takuto fighting one of the Vanishing Age guys in a populated city, and it is inevitable that he'll be inevitably ideologically defeated by virtue of being The Little Prince, and being too trusting, but that's not actually the subject of the show's story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Formless Creature View Post
    Dullahan was right.
    Quote Originally Posted by 昇華潜熱 (Latent Heat of Sublimation) View Post
    "Burn books and bury scholars. Then the Apocalypse happened, and despite all prognostications this was not the end. [static] What happened was this. The society, the productive apparatus, had expanded to such an extent, had bloated, engorged itself until it attained to a planetary existence – that individuals could no longer see the horizon of the totality, and therefore the determinate totality itself. The situation of individuals within the society became unclear. (In many ways the first indications of a general becoming-obsolete for the species. Aha. But this is a digression.) The linear time of grand narratives could no longer sustain itself within this abundance; the arbitrary selectivity of content they depended on proved, under the baleful gaze of a hypertrophied will-to-truth, simply implausible. Linear time therefore ceased to operate. Time had frozen. The present went on forever, dominated by the frozen image of the past that was the third abstraction from memory – the database. What had once been 'history' became nothing more and nothing less than an impossibly vast assembly of discrete facts, data-points, modular and self-contained. Linked in an equally vast network. The content-delivery systems developed in the early years of the twenty-first century... [static] ...search engines and so forth. Wikipedia. [static] What replaced the critical stance, the individual arrogation of judgement, was mastery, knowledge, and therefore consumption. All previous layers of abstraction – all memories, all chronicles, all histories – became alike as nodes in the database. The more nodes of the database one mastered – to know not only the nodes but their relations and references to one another – the more one was understood to know the past. In every age the form of knowledge of the past and the form of individual enmeshment within the productive apparatus of the social totality mirrored one another. It was therefore no surprise that, in an age where individuals were understood primarily and essentially as consumers, the past itself should become... [static] ...individually packaged and consumable. [static] ...could be consumed, consumed as if by fire."
    Quite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Link0306 View Post
    I understand your other points but they had fucking rings at the end, nobody was saying they were very close friends (except the dumb execs at Bamco lmao).
    Yeah what i wanted to say is that it felt like they couldn't show displays of affection because of execs, why even make a whole show based on yuri when you can't go all-in with it?

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    Frieren always brings out the most in people huh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratman View Post
    It wasn't too bad when I watched it on release, but in part that's because I did so along with an entire /a/ thread decoding the runic alphabet crap as we did.
    It also got a visual novel to expand on some parts of the setting.



    The ending is pretty much perfect, because it acknowledges that you can't stay young and innocent forever, and pretty much states that Takuto's insistance on it is morally questionable, and makes him do morally questionable things.
    The story continues afterward, the movie even starts with a scene of Takuto fighting one of the Vanishing Age guys in a populated city, and it is inevitable that he'll be ideologically defeated by virtue of being The Little Prince, but that's not actually the subject of the show's story.
    Hooooooh....I'll keep it in mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    Tfw I hated Shaddiq for being a snivelling incel who is fine with his crush maybe dying in his planned terrorist attack but the thought of the formerly abusive dude who was perfectly fine with letting marry her """"tainting"""" her was apparently a step to far for him but still felt baffled on how he suffered more than the hags who were playing musical chairs with the genetic codes of orphans to pilot their illegal robot
    He has either agenda or simiping for Miorione and his plan was idiotic, his plotline is rushed because of S2 and he "threatens" yuri so yeah he has a lot of haters. Michaelis kits fill the shelves

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    Quote Originally Posted by GD3713 View Post
    Yeah what i wanted to say is that it felt like they couldn't show displays of affection because of execs, why even make a whole show based on yuri when you can't go all-in with it?
    If censorship or executive meddling was a reason not to make yuri media then no yuri media coming out of East Asia would exist, period. The reality is that socially speaking you will never be able to go 100% unless it's specifically written as a yuri work and promoted for yuri fans and therefore with the inherent expectation that it is going to be part of that niche and therefore only make some of the money instead of all the money, which would never, ever happen to a large franchise like Gundam. Incidentally, the only way stuff like this will ever become widely socially acceptable is if large franchises embrace it, regardless of how small or rushed the steps taken to get there are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    Frieren always brings out the most in people huh
    I'm really actually on the verge of fully losing it. I'm so glad Gundam is here to save me. This may be one of the best shows ever made. I can't wait to watch this show for the first time ever!



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    Over Frieren????

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    Anyway moving the thread back to FGO, Valentines will be in like 3 weeks, any new scenes y'all are excited for?

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