Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[rxrx]

Try using Cu Lancer with one.

I think Prism Core works better with Lancer Cu for his survival ability though.

[DarkWarrior]

Try using Cu Lancer with one.

I figured the norm for him was Kaleidoscope/Hollow Magic(whichever you managed to pull) for quick gay bulges on tough enemies?

Not that I'm knocking that idea, it seems pretty brilliant.

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speaking of which, ive been wondering what to best give Tamacat.... scarf Shirou maybe, or Illya? Though i already have Illya on Eliza

[rovert10]

I think Prism Core works better with Lancer Cu for his survival ability though.

I figured the norm for him was Kaleidoscope/Hollow Magic(whichever you managed to pull) for quick gay bulges on tough enemies?

I have none of those CEs so my big purpose for using Cu is for his staying power. He can survive pretty anything but he does have a small downtime with skill cooldowns. Gae Bolg will come eventually since he doesn't die.

Bath CE to regen health during that time and when he has dodge up. So unless you get extremely unlucky and focused on consistently. Cu should have no trouble keeping himself alive. That's what I used with the 40 AP quest. Bastard just sat there laughing against Orion there.

[Trubo]

I am starting to agree with the people that are saying 40%/60% for Silver/Gold rates per chest in the 5 AP event. Just taking my total dango gains (2216 Silver and 3267 Gold), I have about 40% Silver and 60% Gold.

So to fix my calculations, I think all you need to do is multiply the Silver-related values by 0.9x and the Gold-related values by 1.1x, but I could be wrong.

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speaking of which, ive been wondering what to best give Tamacat.... scarf Shirou maybe, or Illya? Though i already have Illya on Eliza

Either Kaleidoscope or your best Buster-boosting CE.

[Zork Knight]

Atalanta's Quick cards are 3-hits, she has Independent Action Rank A, her NP generates a shit ton of crit, and crossing Arcadia redirects Crit to her.

Moonlight Festival is pretty much made for her. And Lancelot. Which makes a lot of sense.

[Trubo]

I am starting to agree with the people that are saying 40%/60% for Silver/Gold rates per chest in the 5 AP event. Just taking my total dango gains (2216 Silver and 3267 Gold), I have about 40% Silver and 60% Gold.

So to fix my calculations, I think all you need to do is multiply the Silver-related values by 0.9x and the Gold-related values by 1.1x, but I could be wrong.

Wait, that's wrong I think. To revalue the odds, we have to weight the 4 unique scenarios accordingly

• SSS = 0.4^3 = 0.064 = 6.4%
• SSG = 3 * 0.4^2 * 0.6 = .288 = 28.8%
• SGG = 3 * 0.4 * 0.6^2 = 0.432 = 43.2%
• GGG = 0.6^3 = 0.216 = 21.6%

So, to update those formulas again:

Low-End New 5 AP = (.064)*[(3*(Y+1))+3*X] + (.288)*[(2*(Y+1))+2*X] + (.432)*[(1*(Y+1))+X] + (.288)*[(0.5*(Y+1))+X/2] + (.432)*[(1*(Y+1))+2*X/2] + (.216)*[(1.5*(Y+1))+3*X/2]

High-End New 5 AP = (.064)*[(6*(Y+1))+3*X] + (.288)*[(4*(Y+1))+2*X] + (.432)*[(2*(Y+1))+X] + (.288)*[(1*(Y+1))+X/2] + (.432)*[(2*(Y+1))+2*X/2] + (.216)*[(3*(Y+1))+3*X/2]

So my personal values for the low-end and high-end are 23.1 and 25.2, respectively.

[Crown]

Please, I'm taking a break from numerical methods. No more numbers please.

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Either Kaleidoscope or your best Buster-boosting CE.

dont have kaleidoscope
do have both Sakuras though

have both buster Illya and buster Shirou, but Illya's already on Eliza
or should i give Eliza something else.. sometimes im unsure with her
Her NP unfortunately sucks; since poision and burn dont do procentual damage but just fixed damage, they're useless on higher levels

[manafusion]

Please, I'm taking a break from numerical methods. No more numbers please.

Numbers lead you to the truth of the world. Number is love, number is life. Accept number and you shall see the revelations of the world.

:P

[DarkWarrior]

dont have kaleidoscope
do have both Sakuras though

have both buster Illya and buster Shirou, but Illya's already on Eliza
or should i give Eliza something else.. sometimes im unsure with her
Her NP unfortunately sucks; since poision and burn dont do procentual damage but just fixed damage, they're useless on higher levels

Buster Shirou is basically any berserker's best friend. Go with that.

[Trubo]

dont have kaleidoscope
do have both Sakuras though

have both buster Illya and buster Shirou, but Illya's already on Eliza
or should i give Eliza something else.. sometimes im unsure with her
Her NP unfortunately sucks; since poision and burn dont do procentual damage but just fixed damage, they're useless on higher levels

Then your best start-of-battle NP CE or Buster CE should be used on Tamamo Cat.

[GDB]

Then your best start-of-battle NP CE or Buster CE should be used on Tamamo Cat.

I feel anything less than a Kaleidoscope (or fully maxed Hollow Magic, since it's only 5% different from a base Kaleidoscope), unless the rest of your team (and support, if using it) is heavily Arts focused or Mashu, isn't worth it on non-Vlad Berserkers. A single arts card isn't going to do much of anything for them if you can't pretty much guarantee an Arts chain when it comes up.

So yeah, when in doubt, default to Illya or Samurai Shirou.

[manafusion]

Another hypothetical question: If Battle Continuation were to be changed into a % max health recovery mechanic instead of a flat health restore, would it be better or worse for the game? Personally, I feel that it's better as it promotes the use of some defensive CEs that manipulates the effect for the better.

IE: Lancer Cu has BC that recovers 10% of max HP at level 1.
IE2: Nero CE grants 5%(10%) BC effect.

[Bobin]

I feel anything less than a Kaleidoscope (or fully maxed Hollow Magic, since it's only 5% different from a base Kaleidoscope), unless the rest of your team (and support, if using it) is heavily Arts focused or Mashu, isn't worth it on non-Vlad Berserkers. A single arts card isn't going to do much of anything for them if you can't pretty much guarantee an Arts chain when it comes up.

So yeah, when in doubt, default to Illya or Samurai Shirou.

Kaleidoscope is pretty situational on Tamamo. It's fine if you don't have any NP that's better, but without cleanse it's a last move attack.

[rovert10]

Another hypothetical question: If Battle Continuation were to be changed into a % max health recovery mechanic instead of a flat health restore, would it be better or worse for the game? Personally, I feel that it's better as it promotes the use of some defensive CEs that manipulates the effect for the better.

IE: Lancer Cu has BC that recovers 10% of max HP at level 1.
IE2: Nero CE grants 5%(10%) BC effect.

You just made BC worse for anybody who doesn't have 10,000 HP or more.
1000 HP is good enough for what it needs to do.

[R.Lock]

Man, statistics. Do it like a physicist and use simplified calculations.

You got 4 more days, that's 288 AP times 4. Divide it by 5, multiply by 1.75. Multiply the result by the lowest total dango you get from 5 AP.

Here you go, you got yourself a rough estimate of your dango total by the end of the event.

[Trubo]

I feel anything less than a Kaleidoscope (or fully maxed Hollow Magic, since it's only 5% different from a base Kaleidoscope), unless the rest of your team (and support, if using it) is heavily Arts focused or Mashu, isn't worth it on non-Vlad Berserkers. A single arts card isn't going to do much of anything for them if you can't pretty much guarantee an Arts chain when it comes up.

So yeah, when in doubt, default to Illya or Samurai Shirou.

Tamamo Cat, Herk, and Kiyohime all have fairly decent NP charge rates for Berserkers, though Tamamo Cat and Herk charge better because of the hits, so if an enemy dies partway into the Arts attack the remaining hits gain boosted NP charge rates.

At least, I think they do since I've seen times when my Herk failed to get 20% NP on an enemy he Buster->Buster->Arts chained and didn't kill with the extra attack, but have seen Herk get 20%+ just from an Arts card used as 3rd action on an enemy he killed in the first part of his Arts attack.

[manafusion]

You just made BC worse for anybody who doesn't have 10,000 HP or more.

In general, true. But at the same time, it promotes the use of HP-increasing CEs on these servants in order to maximise the effect.

[Kirby]

Tamamo Cat, Herk, and Kiyohime all have fairly decent NP charge rates for Berserkers, though Tamamo Cat and Herk charge better because of the hits, so if an enemy dies partway into the Arts attack the remaining hits gain boosted NP charge rates.

At least, I think they do since I've seen times when my Herk failed to get 20% NP on an enemy he Buster->Buster->Arts chained and didn't kill with the extra attack, but have seen Herk get 20%+ just from an Arts card used as 3rd action on an enemy he killed in the first part of his Arts attack.

Idk, I've gotten 20% charge with Kiyo's Arts as the third attack (without the first card being an Arts), and that's only one hit.