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    The game does crash on Noble Phantasms sometimes, that's what he meant. Especially if you don't full-download it.

    It seems to be better (and faster also) at loading NPs you use often. I never had it crash on Fleur de Lis or Ascalon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    How is that related to enemy Saber Alter having 18 HP left and about to Excalibur Morgan his team?
    That was a reply to the bright white screen, but I'll edit in the quote. My bad.

    Also just really felt like putting that reference in there, since it's so appropriate.
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    Hum I already finished my Hallowen Princess and I want to know if is better to have her or Kaleidoscope on my Attila.

    Hallowen gives 20% extra NP dmg, but Kaleidoscope gives 786 atk, my team is Emiya + Attila + Waver, so maybe is better to have Princess because it is easy to make the extra energy for my NP?

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    At last, finally i can end this event with a smile !
    Space. It seems to go on and on forever. Then you get to the end, and a monkey starts throwing barrels at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soire View Post
    Hum I already finished my Hallowen Princess and I want to know if is better to have her or Kaleidoscope on my Attila.

    Hallowen gives 20% extra NP dmg, but Kaleidoscope gives 786 atk, my team is Emiya + Attila + Waver, so maybe is better to have Princess because it is easy to make the extra energy for my NP?
    Photon ray has low damage, so I'd say use kaleidoscope so you can apply the def down debuff more easily, since it won't terribly benefit from the increased damage.
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    says the hater, you keep on hating, i'll be around ignoring your invalid, incorrect opinion.
    [18:00] Spinach: Because I don't like Saber's personality but boy oh boy does she make my dick turn to diamonds when I see her getting tentacled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayson View Post


    At last, finally i can end this event with a smile !
    I also had an ending similar to that although I also got a heart. Then I got greedy and tried to ascend Liz without wasting all my exp and summon a Servant.
    The first went rather well and I even got a great success. As for the other part well...
    I got Saber Gilles.
    F/GO : Lunartic/721,560,670

    Mordred is finally home.

    Blessed is my luck.

    I am at peace.

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    Saber gilles,always there to remind you of the ruthless nature of the gatcha....
    Space. It seems to go on and on forever. Then you get to the end, and a monkey starts throwing barrels at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soire View Post
    Hum I already finished my Hallowen Princess and I want to know if is better to have her or Kaleidoscope on my Attila.

    Hallowen gives 20% extra NP dmg, but Kaleidoscope gives 786 atk, my team is Emiya + Attila + Waver, so maybe is better to have Princess because it is easy to make the extra energy for my NP?
    If we're just considering level 20 CE:


    • Kaleidoscope
      • +80% starting NP gauge
      • +786 Attack

    • Halloween Princess (fully ascended)
      • +50% starting NP gauge
      • +393 Attack / 589 HP (same stats as Prisma Cosmos and Moonlight Festival)
      • +20% NP damage



    So using the Halloween Princess (fully ascended) yields -393 Attack, -30% starting NP gauge, +589 HP, and +20% NP damage versus using Kaleidoscope.

    With a level 20 Kaleidoscope, no buffs to NP or attack, and neutral attribute and class modifiers, your current Altera (assuming you have a level 1 NP, can't tell from your signature) will deal [13824*3*1.5*0.9*0.23] to [13824*3*1.5*1.1*0.23] damage to each target, or 12877 to 15738 damage to each target.

    With a level 20 Halloween Princess, no buffs to NP or attack, and neutral attribute and class modifiers, your current Altera (assuming you have a level 1 NP, can't tell from your signature) will deal [13431*3*1.5*0.9*0.23*1.2] to [13431*3*1.5*1.1*0.23*1.2] damage to each target, or 15013 to 18349 damage to each target.

    Difference in damage is about 2500/target. If you're fighting a single enemy then the Kaleidoscope is likely the better option since that damage is likely made up for with Altera's normal attacks. Against a wave of enemies then the Halloween Princess is likely the better choice.

    Of the Servants you mentioned I would probably give the Halloween Princess to Emiya instead of Altera since Archers lose 5% of their total attack for damage purposes due to their class modifier (0.95x). Altera then would use Kaleidoscope.

    Edit: One thing to keep in mind is that you can actually level your Halloween Princess up to 1000 Attack / 1500 HP, so eventually it would provide more raw damage than a level 20 Kaleidoscope. However that won't happen until well past level 50 I imagine, assuming a linear CE scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renko View Post
    Does anyone know who the enemies are in the last Guerrilla and Party time Quests?
    Quest names are Visitor in the Moonlit Night ~Miko Hell Spider Lily~ 15 and Royal Party -V-.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    or everyone gets a duo they don't want.
    People got used to Orion, didn't they.
    Plus, their sprite should be fine, the sprite artist is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte View Post
    Quest names are Visitor in the Moonlit Night ~Miko Hell Spider Lily~ 15 and Royal Party -V-.
    Well, that answers
    nothing
    everything.
    From the predicted levels of the quests, they ought to be "interesting".

    Still got a few more days, like a lot of people here, I may actually be able to buy out to shop. Feels nice compared to the last ones where every purchase was calculated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte View Post
    People got used to Orion, didn't they.
    Plus, their sprite should be fine, the sprite artist is good.
    but orion is like the best.
    Artemis is okay.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
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    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    assuming a linear CE scale.
    Do all CEs scale linearly, or are there different curves like Servants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    I hope the silver haired one is Anne Bonny, because Anne Bunny is funny.
    You can guess from their VAs! Marie is Nonaka Ai and Anne is Kawasumi Ayako. Given the former voices little girls and the latter voices Seiba, you can guess the silver-haired one is Marie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratman View Post
    The game does crash on Noble Phantasms sometimes, that's what he meant. Especially if you don't full-download it.

    It seems to be better (and faster also) at loading NPs you use often. I never had it crash on Fleur de Lis or Ascalon.
    You only need to download each asset once (whether via full download or on first use) unless your phone's strapped for space tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobinwood View Post
    That's 300% the joke their going for. There is basically no possibility that the Japanese would pass up the chance to make a name pun. One so perfect at that.
    Sadly not the case, unless both VAs play way against type.

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    Which, to be honest, would be fairly funny.

    Also pretty sure both get the bunny ears so the point is moot. :V

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Do all CEs scale linearly, or are there different curves like Servants?
    Great question!
    They're all linear.

    Oh.
    So it's them that use those XP curves I'd been wondering about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    but orion is like the best.
    Artemis is okay.
    You get what I mean. :V

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rue View Post
    Well, that answers
    nothing
    everything.
    From the predicted levels of the quests, they ought to be "interesting".

    Still got a few more days, like a lot of people here, I may actually be able to buy out to shop. Feels nice compared to the last ones where every purchase was calculated.
    Well apparently the spider lily thing is some stone thingy tamamo used to kill people so yeah.

    The funny thing is that all the party names are fairly obvious in retrospective. Doppel Party (all clones), Lunatic Party (Atalanta & Artemis) and the others I don't remember.

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    Oh god so many merged posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Do all CEs scale linearly, or are there different curves like Servants?
    Don't know, hoping that Kyte can answer that.

    Cause at level 20 a Kaleidoscope should have 787 Attack if it's linear, not 786.

    99 levels to gain 1500 stats -> 1500/99 = 15.151515151515... Attack/level, so that times 19 + starting 500 = 787.87...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte View Post
    Great question!
    They're all linear.

    Oh.
    So it's them that use those XP curves I'd been wondering about.
    Please don't tell me that they're as bad or worse than Servant levels.
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    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    Don't know, hoping that Kyte can answer that.

    Cause at level 20 a Kaleidoscope should have 787 Attack if it's linear, not 786.
    Errr rounding?
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
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    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Errr rounding?
    Should yield either 787 or 788.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    bad rounding?
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    bad rounding?
    Possibly, but how do they only manage to be off by one? I'd expect a difference in the tens.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    Should yield either 787 or 788.
    Japanese games are usually cruel with rounding.

    As a Pokemon player, you get used to it.
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