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    Why does a not-upgraded NP2 Vasavi Shakti (+Prana Burst 10) do almost as much damage as upgraded NP5 Clarent Blood Arthur (Prana Burst 6) against doors? It was 102k damage versus 107k damage; doors aren't divine are they...?

    Surely the Prana Burst difference isn't enough to overcome the difference between not-upgraded NP2 and upgraded NP5? Is it the difference in Karna and Mordred's ATK?

    I'm confused.

    (And no, neither of them had any extra buffs on them besides the Prana Burst.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiu View Post
    Why does a not-upgraded NP2 Vasavi Shakti (+Prana Burst 10) do almost as much damage as upgraded NP5 Clarent Blood Arthur (Prana Burst 6) against doors? It was 102k damage versus 107k damage; doors aren't divine are they...?

    Surely the Prana Burst difference isn't enough to overcome the difference between not-upgraded NP2 and upgraded NP5? Is it the difference in Karna and Mordred's ATK?

    I'm confused.

    (And no, neither of them had any extra buffs on them besides the Prana Burst.)
    Attributes, maybe?

    Mordred is Earth, while Karna is Sky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiu View Post
    Why does a not-upgraded NP2 Vasavi Shakti (+Prana Burst 10) do almost as much damage as upgraded NP5 Clarent Blood Arthur (Prana Burst 6) against doors? It was 102k damage versus 107k damage; doors aren't divine are they...?

    Surely the Prana Burst difference isn't enough to overcome the difference between not-upgraded NP2 and upgraded NP5? Is it the difference in Karna and Mordred's ATK?

    I'm confused.

    (And no, neither of them had any extra buffs on them besides the Prana Burst.)
    Maybe Mordred doesn't like you D:
    And if it's mine my salt for not getting Karna is just there with her and sh just does less damage for you :c

    In all seriousness, it's probably just attributes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiu View Post
    Why does a not-upgraded NP2 Vasavi Shakti (+Prana Burst 10) do almost as much damage as upgraded NP5 Clarent Blood Arthur (Prana Burst 6) against doors? It was 102k damage versus 107k damage; doors aren't divine are they...?

    Surely the Prana Burst difference isn't enough to overcome the difference between not-upgraded NP2 and upgraded NP5? Is it the difference in Karna and Mordred's ATK?

    I'm confused.

    (And no, neither of them had any extra buffs on them besides the Prana Burst.)
    Well, let's see what the differences between the two of them are.

    1. Karna doesn't have a NP interlude yet, while Mordred does. Thus, they have a 400% and 600% NP modifier, respectively.

    2. A level 6 Prana Burst for Mordred is 40% Buster up, while a level 10 Prana Burst (Flames) is 30% Buster Up and 20% NP Power up.

    3. Attribute modifier against doors is 0.9 for Mordred and 1.0 for Karna.

    With all this, we should be able to roughly see how much damage each person does.

    Mordred damage range = [11723*6*1.5*1.4*0.9*0.9*0.23] to [11723*6*1.5*1.4*1.1*0.9*0.23] = 27518 to 33633 damage to each target

    Karna damage range = [[11976*1.05*4*1.5*1.3*0.9*0.23*1.2]+200] to [[11976*1.05*4*1.5*1.3*1.1*0.23*1.2]+200] = 24564 to 29978 damage to each target

    Sure there wasn't an Attack bonus somewhere? It's possible that there's something I either did not account for or accounted for incorrectly, but it's not to unreasonable to think that Mordred's damage had low random modifiers while Karna's had higher random modifiers.
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    CEs were not stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larethian View Post
    CEs were not stated.
    If it's my Mordred (I dunno how many other np5 Mordreds there are with Prana at level 6 he has??? My only other np5 Mo has level 9 Prana) she has a level 50 Kaleido giving 1241 Attack.
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    It was either Sango's or Canon's (level 66 kaleidoscope, 1484 ATK). My Karna has a level 40 kaleido which is 1089 ATK.

    I forgot to mention both of them were Buster chain boosted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiu View Post
    It was either Sango's or Canon's (level 66 kaleidoscope, 1484 ATK). My Karna has a level 40 kaleido which is 1089 ATK.

    I forgot to mention both of them were Buster chain boosted.
    Buster Brave Chain bonus and Buster First Card bonus don't apply at all, and the Card Placement modifier defaults to first card modifier, hence the 150%/100%/80% for Buster/Arts/Quick NPs.

    Mordred damage range = [(1484+11723)*6*1.5*1.4*0.9*0.9*0.23] to [(1484+11723)*6*1.5*1.4*1.1*0.9*0.23] = 31002 to 37891 damage to each target

    Karna damage range = [[(1089+11976)*1.05*4*1.5*1.3*0.9*0.23*1.2]+200] to [[(1089+11976)*1.05*4*1.5*1.3*1.1*0.23*1.2]+200] = 26779 to 32686 damage to each target

    So from this it looks like the Mordred rolled ~1.0x on her random modifiers while your Karna rolled really high (~1.1x) on his random modifiers.
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    I hope the event starts next Wednesday and not at the last day of February.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    Buster Brave Chain bonus and Buster First Card bonus don't apply at all, and the Card Placement modifier defaults to first card modifier, hence the 150%/100%/80% for Buster/Arts/Quick NPs.

    Mordred damage range = [(1484+11723)*6*1.5*1.4*0.9*0.9*0.23] to [(1484+11723)*6*1.5*1.4*1.1*0.9*0.23] = 31002 to 37891 damage to each target

    Karna damage range = [[(1089+11976)*1.05*4*1.5*1.3*0.9*0.23*1.2]+200] to [[(1089+11976)*1.05*4*1.5*1.3*1.1*0.23*1.2]+200] = 26779 to 32686 damage to each target

    So from this it looks like the Mordred rolled ~1.0x on her random modifiers while your Karna rolled really high (~1.1x) on his random modifiers.
    Ah, I see.

    On another note, how many people here have the Mona Lisa CE? RNG is refusing to let me use the few friends I have who equipped it. ;__;
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    This Order had better get its own map. With its own special BGM as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaRandomUsername View Post
    This Order had better get its own map. With its own special BGM as well.
    Shiki's theme or riot. Though I think we'll just do some quests on the Fuyuki map, so it's highly possible that there's no new map.


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    Hm, that reminds me, are we ever going to get an option to listen to all the special BGMs again?

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    Though I think we'll just do some quests on the Fuyuki map, so it's highly possible that there's no new map.
    Maybe it would still be in Fuyuki but the battles are now on rooftops & bridges throughout the event quests.

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