Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Arha]

I've said several times now that her stacks weren't decreasing. I literally counted before and after on three different occasions. Each stack had an x turn single use note for duration and each turn until expiration and this was listed for all four buff types. So buster/quick/arts/crit would all say one hit each left for each turn duration remaining. So, after getting three arts hits in, all crits, it should display something like buster/arts/quick/crit up expiring in three different turns plus one round that only had something like buster/quick and either arts or crit and one that only had buster/quick. But that is not what was happening.

If the game was actually working the way the tooltips described I would have been able to get in a hit here or there, especially since the occasions when I was forced to use buster or quick would have at least cleared a stack of crit. But it did not work that way. Her buffs were not clearing. I had to restart and redo it with a different CE. Granted that the frequent stuns would also slow things done, progress still should have been possible.

Anyway past it now. Bugs aside, this fight seems like it was designed to be more frustrating than difficult as well as basically forcing the use of Castoria or NP drain strategies, which can be difficult to sustain.

[Aozaki-desu]

and the last one
douman got nobunaga'd way too easily

was this supposed to be difficult?

[TheMew]

I too felt the last Douman fight was the easiest and hassle free boss fight. The last Tsuna fight was the most annoying to me.

[OnesFleetingGlory]

I saw in someone's channel where Douman randomly Instant Kill'd the whole party before his NP. I can see that as really irritating when you stack Def Up, Invul, and even Solemn Defense to anticipate the NP, only for it to be pointless. And Guts doesn't help much either since he will follow it up with standard AoE tree attack. It's better off to use NP seal or reduce NP.

[Rafflesiac]

just use skadi lol

[asterism42]

skadi's np actually being useful?

unpossible

[Aozaki-desu]

douman dies in 3 turns why would you stall him at all

the only fight that i lost and was forced ot use revive item since they expire anyway was ibuki douji because of unblockable np wipe
everything else was steamrolled pretty comfy with SummerBB - Van Gogh - Skadi team

[Lobo]

Douman's artist

[AmADo VII]

David can easily deals 400-500k NP dmg to Ibuki with 1 Merlin buffs (more than 100k without any buff), just put invul pierce CE on him.

[manafusion]

I mean we already have Waver and Reines as attack up 50% chargers. They aren't isolated chargers but so what. Isolated charges are limiting. Spreading out NP is better than not as it enables more possible comps. The only "advantage" to single charge skills like Skadi is if you're making the "takes less button presses" argument which, yeah, I guess you could make but that's not a gameplay consideration. It's more so quality of life.

Except you forget that Buster Servants without 30% NP charge will lose because they now can't chain their NP. That's the problem in trying to make Buster farming comps as viable as possible. You need to look at the bottom end. Otherwise, any AoE Buster without NP charge is trash and thus ends up being a bad system since you're now looking at any old/new Servant and looking for only one primary thing: If it has 30% or more unconditional NP charge.

Anyway, you say it's limiting but when you're gonna be Buster farming, the end result is whether you can charge your NP bar to 100%. And for AoE Busters Servants, the requirement is 100% NP charge. So, having your 50% NP charge isolated from your damage buff skill/s is about as best as it can be in making the best farming comp for Busters.

[You]

Any chance of a part 2 gatcha?

[manafusion]

even if you could 2x buster np for anyone (lets say 50% natty charge plus even ce for another 50% plus 2 marlins 2x50 each)
you are still bound to either arash or cg for the purposes of the third np, it does not really solve the problem
hypothetical marlin has to make 3 turn single buster servant np possible or else
at the very least as long as you have lb kaleido and plugsuit

Except everyone has access to Arash so it's not as bad as you might think imo. Using Arash for Wave 1 clear? Definitely gonna make clearing way easier. When Arts farming team incorporating Para or Asclepius exists, saying that Arash is needed for a third set of NP use is bad isn't particularly a strong case. Plus let's be real here, anyone doing 3-turn farming already values speed over number of Servants that's locked in their farming team. It's just that it's now another new flavor of ice cream you can run instead of seeing Summer Musashi or Dantes spam for decades. And I'm pretty sure Arash's new NP animation is still faster than most other Buster AoE NP. Haven't compared, but that's my thoughts from watching it anyway.

[Kelp24]

I think Douman has some anti-good thing on his NP cause it killed my Waver and Merlin while leaving my Lip untouched. Not the best boss comp to be honest.

[ALM]

douman dies in 3 turns why would you stall him at all

the only fight that i lost and was forced ot use revive item since they expire anyway was ibuki douji because of unblockable np wipe
everything else was steamrolled pretty comfy with SummerBB - Van Gogh - Skadi team

I thought she was pretty easy, I just brute forced my way through, mostly dumb luck I assume. I only wiped to Douman, no idea what was happening, when he locked my cards it was pretty much game over for me. But still, I was trying to wipe to revive because rage, and I still took him to the last bar with half health with a class disadvantage.

[Aozaki-desu]

I thought she was pretty easy, I just brute forced my way through, mostly dumb luck I assume. I only wiped to Douman, no idea what was happening, when he locked my cards it was pretty much game over for me. But still, I was trying to wipe to revive because rage, and I still took him to the last bar with half health with a class disadvantage.

i mean she is trivial with altera ce, its just i had no recourse other than to die on turn 5 when i broke her second bar

Except everyone has access to Arash so it's not as bad as you might think imo. Using Arash for Wave 1 clear? Definitely gonna make clearing way easier. When Arts farming team incorporating Para or Asclepius exists, saying that Arash is needed for a third set of NP use is bad isn't particularly a strong case. Plus let's be real here, anyone doing 3-turn farming already values speed over number of Servants that's locked in their farming team. It's just that it's now another new flavor of ice cream you can run instead of seeing Summer Musashi or Dantes spam for decades. And I'm pretty sure Arash's new NP animation is still faster than most other Buster AoE NP. Haven't compared, but that's my thoughts from watching it anyway.

you cant use arash without giving him 70% ce
50% with merlin if event ce has charge
nobody is gonna go buster farming with 4 ce when they can do farming with 5 or 6

[astagadragon]

Any chance of a part 2 gatcha?

I think Taira/Ushi for next week. Ibuki for New Years a la Old Man Hassan and Li

[Pendant]

and the last one
douman got nobunaga'd way too easily

was this supposed to be difficult?

This lostbelt was incredibly easy

[manafusion]

you cant use arash without giving him 70% ce
50% with merlin if event ce has charge
nobody is gonna go buster farming with 4 ce when they can do farming with 5 or 6

The impetus is providing a way to 3-turn farm for Buster setups, not a way to farm that's both so lenient on your CE slots and lets you 3-turn farm at the same time. The problem we're solving is only "how can we get Busters to 3-turn farm". Which, given the current state of the game, is more important than making them be the god/uber reliable setup in almost every farming situation. Especially when not everyone will have event CEs whilst 90+ nodes highly disincentivize pure AoE setups. Lottery? That's how many times a year again? What about regular Free Quest farming where you don't have bonus for farming outside of Bond CEs?

I think it's fine to provide the tools to enable 3-turn Buster farming without making it imperative to match Arts/Quick in slot freedom. After all, Buster will always have the problem of not naturally gaining NP charge from their NPs so any way to boost Buster team's viability such that it can now do 3-turn farming is always greatly appreciated.

[Pendant]

Anyone know why NPC Shuten's NP is called "???"

[manafusion]

I just assumed that we can't use her NP and didn't use her. So, no I don't.