Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[GuP3ixe]

Uhh... You know an NP is part of a servant's kit and the main source of damage for damage dealers that aren't specialized in crit, right?

Yeah, that's why i only use her for debuffs, in which she's good, i'm not saying she's good overall, i'm saying a specific part of her is

[manafusion]

50% from her first skill, 20% from her second and 30% buster def down from her third. If you consider that the 3rd one only work for buster servants, it's 70%, but otherwise it's a 100%.

That's still not 100% Def Down. It's 70% Def Down and 30% Buster Resistance Down.

To put it into perspective: If a boss has 170% Def Up, these debuff will still not allow you to do damage to the boss. Because Buster Resistance Down is similar to Buster Up for damage amplification purposes. Unless I'm mistaken here, ofc. But then you'd need to bring out the whole formula to point at where it calculates "Card Resistance Down" as "Def Down" instead.

[GuP3ixe]

30% buster resistance down = 30% def down for buster cards. If i remember correctly this is how it works, right?

[manafusion]

30% buster resistance down = 30% def down for buster cards. If i remember correctly this is how it works, right?

And where on the formula did you get this information from? Or was it hearsay? Maybe you have a video proof of it with big enough numbers to remove the damage variance from affecting it in "one-time" test runs?

Sorry, I'm being extremely skeptical here but I've always known Buster Resistance Down as "Buster Up" since it has always worked that way from the amount of time I've used it. I mean, it's probably easier to ask someone to test it against Siegfried in NA and see if "80% Atk Up + 30% Buster Resistance Down" can allow someone to do damage to him.

[Daemon]

Yeah, that's why i only use her for debuffs, in which she's good, i'm not saying she's good overall, i'm saying a specific part of her is

I mean, if it works for you that's fine. But people are right in saying it needs a buff considering it's not really her intended role to be a debuff support and she's not the most effective to bring for either that or damage.

[idpersona]

30% buster resistance down = 30% def down for buster cards. If i remember correctly this is how it works, right?

No.The brackets are:
1)Atk up-down/Def up-down
2)Card performance up-down/Card resistance up-down
3)NP Damage up/NP Damage down/Powermods
4)NP damage special mod

[manafusion]

No.The brackets are:
1)Atk up-down/Def up-down
2)Card performance up-down/Card resistance up-down
3)NP Damage up/NP Damage down/Powermods
4)NP damage special mod

That's exactly what I remembered too. Though sentencing for 3 and 4 would be:
3)NP Damage Up/NP Damage Down/Crit Damage Up/Crit Damage Down/Damage mods
4)SE mod (not buff)

[GuP3ixe]

I mean, if it works for you that's fine. But people are right in saying it needs a buff considering it's not really her intended role to be a debuff support and she's not the most effective to bring for either that or damage.

Oh no, i'm not arguing against that, i really only use her as a debuffer.

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And where on the formula did you get this information from? Or was it hearsay? Maybe you have a video proof of it with big enough numbers to remove the damage variance from affecting it in "one-time" test runs?

Sorry, I'm being extremely skeptical here but I've always known Buster Resistance Down as "Buster Up" since it has always worked that way from the amount of time I've used it. I mean, it's probably easier to ask someone to test it against Siegfried in NA and see if "80% Atk Up + 30% Buster Resistance Down" can allow someone to do damage to him.

Yeah, i was assuming that Defense Down worked in the same way you said Buster Resistance Down works, as an equivalent for damage up, the difference being that Buster Resistance Down only work for buster cards, sorry if i said any misinfo.

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No.The brackets are:
1)Atk up-down/Def up-down
2)Card performance up-down/Card resistance up-down
3)NP Damage up/NP Damage down/Powermods
4)NP damage special mod

What's the difference between Powermods and NP damage special mod?

[manafusion]

Yeah, i was assuming that Defense Down worked in the same way you said Buster Resistance Down works, as an equivalent for damage up, the difference being that Buster Resistance Down only work for buster cards, sorry if i said any misinfo.

But when you specifically say "100% Def Down" that's where the whole situation breaks down. Because even if we were to look at it as an all-encompassing "damage up" the total damage increment is actually 121%. They're multiplicative on each other, not additions or subtractions.

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What's the difference between Powermods and NP damage special mod?

Damage boost CEs are considered a Powermod. Anti-trait buffs are considered a powermod. Only those SE effects on NPs that are not a buff are considered "special mod". The ones like Robin's NP where he gets 200~250% SE mod against enemies with Poison.

[GuP3ixe]

But when you specifically say "100% Def Down" that's where the whole situation breaks down. Because even if we were to look at it as an all-encompassing "damage up" the total damage increment is actually 121%. They're multiplicative on each other, not additions or subtractions.

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Damage boost CEs are considered a Powermod. Anti-trait buffs are considered a powermod. Only those SE effects on NPs that are not a buff are considered "special mod". The ones like Robin's NP where he gets 200~250% SE mod against enemies with Poison.

Oh, i see, thanks, and sorry about the misinfo.

[VTKajin]

Didn't hit hard pity, but still took ~240 pulls. Jesus.

[Trubo]

So which missions are time-limited? I know the one to put Billy/Inshun/etc into the front-line are, but is there any need to complete OC1 or do class score if I'm fine with waiting to redeem that quartz later anyway?

[fumei]

So which missions are time-limited? I know the one to put Billy/Inshun/etc into the front-line are, but is there any need to complete OC1 or do class score if I'm fine with waiting to redeem that quartz later anyway?

Catch up to story
Unlock 1 class score node
The "use X servant in frontline" ones

I think those are it for limiteds? Advanced quests and 100 class score nodes are permanent at least.

[Malgos]

Okay stupid question, but just to make sure all the time limited anniversary missions are in the fourth tab of the missions right? If I got 35/35 I'm not overlooking anything in the other tabs? I did check those just in case, but I know one was bugged or something so I'm not sure if I might've missed that one due to not being able to read the language. By the way what are those tabs called anyways? I'd guess daily, weekly, permanent (unless I missed something and not all of those are permanent of course) and event or special missions.

[VTKajin]

I'm still over here like, "why did they choose these Servants in particular for the anni missions"

Perhaps the biggest mystery of our time

[fumei]

Okay stupid question, but just to make sure all the time limited anniversary missions are in the fourth tab of the missions right? If I got 35/35 I'm not overlooking anything in the other tabs? I did check those just in case, but I know one was bugged or something so I'm not sure if I might've missed that one due to not being able to read the language. By the way what are those tabs called anyways? I'd guess daily, weekly, permanent (unless I missed something and not all of those are permanent of course) and event or special missions.

Yeah, the limited ones should all be in the rightmost, because as for what the tabs are named, it's Daily, Weekly, Extra, and Limited.

[asterism42]

[Malgos]

Yeah, the limited ones should all be in the rightmost, because as for what the tabs are named, it's Daily, Weekly, Extra, and Limited.

Thank you.



By the way for those that care for CE collection I grabbed Cu and Gray.

[Kamera]

speaking of buffs I wonder if Shakes is getting anything fun or just targeted invuln. It'd be huge for a 2 star but I dunno sounds boring tbh, unless it gives extra stuff.

His teamwide Buster up upgraded to 3t plus some extra effects hopefully

[castor212]

i come back because i heard there's a unique kind of gacha happening

what is happening