Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Aozaki-desu]

Saber Gilles isn't actually bad numerically
His NP is dogshit however, he needs an upgrade which actually makes his NP worth being overcharged and extends his atk up to 3 turns cuz 2 is too tight
Like, look at him
18% NP up (for him and Jeanne to do 0 np damage because why?)
50% crit up for himself
OC for himself
52% buster up
45% np gain up
100% atk up
Like he is loaded to ungabunga and/or to support another ungabunga. He isnt gonna win competitions but his numbers are actually skyhigh

[manafusion]

Saber Gilles isn't actually bad numerically
His NP is dogshit however, he needs an upgrade which actually makes his NP worth being overcharged and extends his atk up to 3 turns cuz 2 is too tight
Like, look at him
18% NP up (for him and Jeanne to do 0 np damage because why?)
50% crit up for himself
OC for himself
52% buster up
45% np gain up
100% atk up
Like he is loaded to ungabunga and/or to support another ungabunga. He isnt gonna win competitions but his numbers are actually skyhigh

Kinda wish they buffed his NP so the Atk Up lasts 3 turns. And maybe card-swap all his cards for the next 2 turns to always only be Buster instead.

Also, you forgot to write "for himself" to the Buster Up, NP Gain Up and Atk Up. Since those only ever apply to himself. And I'll still argue that he has a niche if used with Caster since Caster is both Good and Star, benefiting the team with on-demand stars and 2 additional uses of her Special Invul.

[Nuberu]

Gilles rn is a budget OC/Crit support for when you start the game and lack any of the cooler and prettier supports in the game, and if you are as crazy as him, as an hilariously effective attacker on his own now with other budget supports like Hans (wish his NP was 3T too).

When you get said cooler, prettier supports he will start gathering dust, but by that point he played his role: giving you the tools to progress until you get SSRs. And yeah, you could just pick some AoE Zerker and bulldoze everything, but even then he could be helpful to said Support depending on their Allignment.

Probably my least liked buff was Asclepius'. It was a good one but like...wasn't him a decent budget support already lol?

[GDB]

I managed to complete the index! Not sure if I'll ever be able to do it again once summer releases, but for now it's actually complete!

Spoiler:

[TrueMrMultiverse]

congrats GDB!

[Daemon]

Given that this is a game before anything else, the notion that some characters should be bad or are expected to underperform is just bad game design to me

[pinetree]

It's kind of an inevitability of a gachas having rarities. People like saying that FGO is great about low rarity being useful and that's true, but the reality is that they're "useful" when you start the game and will be dropped immediately the moment you roll anyone slightly similar with a gold border.

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[Daemon]

And that's why gacha game design is inherently flawed (from a player perspective, I'm sure it's perfect from the perspective of who makes money from it). Any good gacha game would have a better gameplay experience if it was made with the intention of being a normal single purchase game, it would only be worse if your priority is having new toys every month over the core aspects being better.

[manafusion]

Given that this is a game before anything else, the notion that some characters should be bad or are expected to underperform is just bad game design to me

It's kind of an inevitability of a gachas having rarities. People like saying that FGO is great about low rarity being useful and that's true, but the reality is that they're "useful" when you start the game and will be dropped immediately the moment you roll anyone slightly similar with a gold border.

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At the very least, unlike other games, lower rarities in FGO can still have more mileage because of "easier" access to Servant Coins. Heck, being able to reach lvl 100 or even 120 for lower rarity Servants is possible and they end up being comparable to some 5* Servants. Yes, it's a huge resource investment for the sake of making lower rarity Servants compete with a gacha Servant but they can at least do so and that's much better than most other mobages in the market where their answer to the powercreep is to... print a higher rarity version of the same character and completely ignore the lower rarity copy. Similarly, most other gacha games don't bother improving on older characters because they resort to printing a stronger version of the same archetype instead.

EDIT: ngl, talking about grailing lower rarity Servants make me wish that grailing Servants also offer an option to use coins instead. Sure, it would suck for limited 3*/4*/5* Servants but permanent 3* and below rarity Servants get an easier access to higher level cap at the cost of additional grind (or in most cases for permanent 3* Servants, just spending SQ). Though, it would make the natural level caps of Servants feel less impactful.

[Nuberu]

It's kind of an inevitability of a gachas having rarities. People like saying that FGO is great about low rarity being useful and that's true, but the reality is that they're "useful" when you start the game and will be dropped immediately the moment you roll anyone slightly similar with a gold border.

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Inb4 someone mentions like 3 or 4 exceptions to this

It is one of the reasons I keep playing when I started back waaay back then. Hearing about the pull rate memes, I thought that on top of that the low rarity stuff was going to suck balls, but after taking a look at them and noticing they some of them have very specific, but still useful niches, it felt nice that atleast had some solid foundation to built on until I get golden stuff. Them getting phased over as your roster gets bigger is not that bad imo, is just how things are, but still have some fond memories.

Like overloading my Lu Bu with buffs to hit one powerful NP before dying next turn~

And if you really wanna get pedantic, you can still use some over golden ones depending of your lineup because Lasagna still doesn't allow us to use six SSRs with six SSR CE, what the heck.

[Nanaya]

My read

Seen similar takes as all considered the fanfic treatment doesn't make much sense just to add.
Maybe they'll give us a DA related excuse for why real is no deal.

[Aozaki-desu]

Given that this is a game before anything else, the notion that some characters should be bad or are expected to underperform is just bad game design to me

Should be is bad wording
Will be is inevitability

[asterism42]

Hmm, the vibes that I'm getting from FGO right now for Type-Moon; from the Nasu and Takeuchi...These fucking boomers have some dogshit ideas.

I think they're Gen X technicly

[manafusion]

Probably my least liked buff was Asclepius'. It was a good one but like...wasn't him a decent budget support already lol?

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Red Hare's buff is shit on Red Hare. On almost any other Servant, it's a really good buff. But because it's specifically Red Hare, they could've went even more all-out and it would've been fine but they didn't. They also didn't change anything fundamental about his kit (NP damage, refund, steroid buff use limitation) so the end result is that he is now consistent and he crits more consistently but just doesn't get good mileage over time. And it's not like his use-limited steroids are insanely high in value either to justify it. Oh, and they impacted nothing regarding Red Hare's looping potential, which is dogshit. MLB Kscope (or lvl 10 Append 2 + Kscope) + Summer Skadi + double Oberon is his best setup, like wtf?

[Reverse_side98]

This feels somewhat like speculation on questions already answered.

Maybe there's nuances here im missing but if im reading this right, its Servantverse Ciel that just happens to have tsukihime references because they dont want to alienate ciel fans?

[Daemon]

I read it as servantverse ciel for justification purposes, but will feel like normal Ciel for all intents and purposes

[manafusion]

Oh, they already fixed Hokusai's bug. They had an addendum in the Strengthening Quest page so I didn't realise until now.

[Added on Sunday, August 11th at 0:20]Currently, when using the Noble Phantasm of "★5 (SSR) Katsushika Hokusai (Foreigner)" while the effect "When attacking with an Arts card, the target is given a defense down" is applied in battle, and unlike the behavior before Saturday, August 10th, 2024 at 17:59, the defense down is supposed to be applied after the attack, but it is applied before the attack. We are currently investigating and addressing this issue. We will
report back on this matter as soon as it is completed.


[Added on Sunday, August 11th at 18:00] We
have completed the response to this issue at 18:00 on Sunday, August 11th.

[pinetree]

Heck, being able to reach lvl 100 or even 120 for lower rarity Servants is possible and they end up being comparable to some 5* Servants.

Yeah, my 120 Mary Anning with 12k atk and terrible skill values is super comparable to the SSR Arts loopers.

Like, I get what you're saying, but they're still bad. Coins don't make skills better.

[Rafflesiac]

I'd be fine either way as long as there are no references to Arc's existence in the Servantverse. I can only hope.

What about Phantasmoon?

[Comun]

Maybe there's nuances here im missing but if im reading this right, its Servantverse Ciel that just happens to have tsukihime references because they dont want to alienate ciel fans?

I read it as servantverse ciel for justification purposes, but will feel like normal Ciel for all intents and purposes

I agree with both of these interpretations simultaneously.