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    Repetition is much like going in a circle, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waku Waku View Post
    It makes more sense in context rather than just raw letter grades. The new evaluation criteria excludes Order Change and de-emphasizes system play, so Tamamo makes sense in D. Cu/Sigurd/Iskander's ranking sounds high, but it's reasonable when you look at what's below them.
    Okay, so when you add the context of system play being de-emphasized and order change not being considered then I can understand why Tamamo's farming value would drop off as that is where she performs best. But I really can't see how that makes those other guys As when in practice I know that I'm about 100x more likely to use Tamamo for farming than fucking Cu Alter.

    And the argument that it makes sense when you look at those below them doesn't really seem to hold much water either. Bradamante is placed at B rank, so below them, when she actually has loop potential and a targetable battery. She is infinitely more useful in a farming comp than those dudes.

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    Yeah like who cares Tamamo is the biggest damage boost for arts NP. She is at least on par with Bride as you would primarily alternate between the two depending on whether you want more damage or refund.
    Any sensible list would have
    - big... what is it now? Castoria, Oberon, Tamamok, Skadi, Bride, Reines, Waver, Merlin, Tamamo? We big 9 now. I wonder if we'll become Chaldea's Eleven someday.
    - Everyone else
    Because no farming servant works outside of support setup
    Nuff said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aozaki-desu View Post
    Yeah like who cares Tamamo is the biggest damage boost for arts NP. She is at least on par with Bride as you would primarily alternate between the two depending on whether you want more damage or refund.
    Any sensible list would have
    - big... what is it now? Castoria, Oberon, Tamamok, Skadi, Bride, Reines, Waver, Merlin, Tamamo? We big 9 now. I wonder if we'll become Chaldea's Eleven someday.
    - Everyone else
    Because no farming servant works outside of support setup
    Nuff said
    Wait, Tamamo is the biggest boost for Arts NP? I thought that still goes to Caster. Since 30% + 20% Atk Up and 50% Arts Up. Although, if we're going by pure skill buffs alone, then yes. Then again, she'll always be second pick for Arts team comps, if you don't care about min-maxing your bond point gains.
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    That is only if you can cast NP which is not always the case
    And even if so, Tamamo is the biggest boost after x1 x2 Castoria for no-2x-support teams or plugsuit teams

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    I don't think I've ever NP'd with Koyan once lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendant View Post
    Okay, so when you add the context of system play being de-emphasized and order change not being considered then I can understand why Tamamo's farming value would drop off as that is where she performs best. But I really can't see how that makes those other guys As when in practice I know that I'm about 100x more likely to use Tamamo for farming than fucking Cu Alter.

    And the argument that it makes sense when you look at those below them doesn't really seem to hold much water either. Bradamante is placed at B rank, so below them, when she actually has loop potential and a targetable battery. She is infinitely more useful in a farming comp than those dudes.
    To give more context on the list as a whole, it seems to revolve around the observation that nearly every event this year has had a 50% charge 200% power CE, and the view that 5 or 6 CE farming doesn't really matter outside of lottery. So the idea was to pivot the list from one that ranked based on ability to one based on convenience like speed, number of taps, etc. So the list is giving Iskander and Cu so much value because they hit hard with Kaleidoscope. But some of the logic behind it is misguided and strange, and in general it doesn't seem useful. Even the comments on Appmedia are questioning it. I'm guessing that the list will be overhauled again somewhat soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendant View Post
    I don't think I've ever NP'd with Koyan once lol
    If you're running Tamamo with Koyan as supports, something's wrong.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Waku Waku View Post
    To give more context on the list as a whole, it seems to revolve around the observation that nearly every event this year has had a 50% charge 200% power CE, and the view that 5 or 6 CE farming doesn't really matter outside of lottery. So the idea was to pivot the list from one that ranked based on ability to one based on convenience like speed, number of taps, etc. So the list is giving Iskander and Cu so much value because they hit hard with Kaleidoscope. But some of the logic behind it is misguided and strange, and in general it doesn't seem useful. Even the comments on Appmedia are questioning it. I'm guessing that the list will be overhauled again somewhat soon.
    I mean, it's Appmedia. I'm convinced they maintain controversial tierlists just to generate traffic at this point.
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    Try making a tier-list that isn't controversial.

    All things considered, the "Should-you-pull" tier-list they have actually has fairly strong usability. To which degree is a Servant's gameplay strong enough that it warrants investment, essentially.

    Of course, there is more nuance to it than that, given that most people will probably have to consider synergies as well. No need to feel like pulling Dantes if you don't have Skadi, for example. (Though that example feels so outdated by now...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
    Try making a tier-list that isn't controversial.

    All things considered, the "Should-you-pull" tier-list they have actually has fairly strong usability. To which degree is a Servant's gameplay strong enough that it warrants investment, essentially.

    Of course, there is more nuance to it than that, given that most people will probably have to consider synergies as well. No need to feel like pulling Dantes if you don't have Skadi, for example. (Though that example feels so outdated by now...)
    Oppai size tier list. Clearly not controversial in the slightest.



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    Huh, just found out Appmedia changed its format again. The categories are only Strategy and Loop, if google translate is any indication?
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    that's still walkthrough and farming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
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    that's still walkthrough and farming.
    攻略 is not 'walkthrough' in this context. That doesn't even make any sense. fumei and Comun already explained it last page.

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    I know it's subjective, but I'm really surprised how high Vlad's placement is, that he's considered on par with Merlin and True Orion in both categories in AppMedia. It's understandable if Castoria is taken into account, but Merlin and True Orion are pretty self-sufficient without help from supports. Is he really that good after various buffs, I wonder.
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    FINALLY.

    It took me around 300k FP just to get enough copies for the last grail. I'm not even going to bother with the append skills.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriulio View Post
    FINALLY.

    It took me around 300k FP just to get enough copies for the last grail. I'm not even going to bother with the append skills.

    Congrats, it was probably a long and painful journey.

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    FINALLY.

    It took me around 300k FP just to get enough copies for the last grail. I'm not even going to bother with the append skills.

    This is huge! Congratulations!

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