Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[GDB]

They don't need to. They know what their audience will accept.

[Trubo]

Raikou was not fine, come on, she was seriously damage starved and in dire need of an interlude

I'm not sure if it's mine being NP1 or the two-Arts deck, but I really didn't feel Raikou was fine previously...

I have Raikou so it's a well-deserved buff.

She was fine. The only real problem she had was needing Demonic enemies to keep her damage up, and DW gutted the appearance of Demonic enemies since LB3 onwards. The idea that Arjuna (Alter) broke her still applies to all the other Berserkers because good battery + 3 turn huge damage buffs + extremely reliable way to deal insane non-NP damage pretty much shit over the rest since they can only do 1 or, at best, 2 of those things. Raikou already had okay NP damage (yes, trait-related, but so what?) + good non-NP damage.

Meanwhile they'd done nothing to address the main problem of Kintoki ever since Break bars have come into play, especially when they oopsied and made it so that MHXA and Atalante (Alter) pretty much match his NP damage potential while still being able to pump out solid damage for 3 turns thanks to Skadi.

[Trubo]

Or when they started to gimp the NP gain in a lot of Quick Servants when they use their NP for the whole reason that Skadi exists, meaning that if you don't use Skadi you get punished with bad refunds.

Not quite. Quick Servants since Skadi generally have bad NP refund due to low hit counts, their regular cards are fine.

[hayate]

Looking at these quests and still no Kiara or Kingprotea, I just decided to save up these tickets for Servants.

And a Bryn strengthening quest. Ah, well, at least I got Eresh and Jeanne Alter.

But man, all of these busters when I still have to try Arts strats.

But at least Jeanne Alter survived the Ooku with a support Merlin and Mashu.

I don't know what I used last time I went in a fight with Beast III - L, and I still reached the end of the story filling up only half the gauge and only using 14 cards to reduce the gauges.

[Aozaki-desu]

She was fine. The only real problem she had was needing Demonic enemies to keep her damage up, and DW gutted the appearance of Demonic enemies since LB3 onwards. The idea that Arjuna (Alter) broke her still applies to all the other Berserkers because good battery + 3 turn huge damage buffs + extremely reliable way to deal insane non-NP damage pretty much shit over the rest since they can only do 1 or, at best, 2 of those things. Raikou already had okay NP damage (yes, trait-related, but so what?) + good non-NP damage.

Meanwhile they'd done nothing to address the main problem of Kintoki ever since Break bars have come into play, especially when they oopsied and made it so that MHXA and Atalante (Alter) pretty much match his NP damage potential while still being able to pump out solid damage for 3 turns thanks to Skadi.

look i get that you are salty about Kintoki but it really isnt raikou's fault
she was NOT competitive in her challenge quests on damage without having multitrait powerup and she has 0 farming potential
Kintoki at least still fares fairly well at bosskilling especially since the expansion of external NP charges

[OverMaster]

They don't need to. They know what their audience will accept.

Everything has an eventual breaking point.

[Trubo]

look i get that you are salty about Kintoki but it really isnt raikou's fault
she was NOT competitive in her challenge quests on damage without having multitrait powerup and she has 0 farming potential
Kintoki at least still fares fairly well at bosskilling especially since the expansion of external NP charges

That's your argument? Cause the same applies to Xiang Yu and Musashi (Berserker), but I don't see anyone screaming from the rooftops that they need buffs for that reason.

I agree that Kintoki still has flexibility to some extent, but that's all he has going for him anymore. In terms of raw damage, he's nowhere near the best, and raw damage only matters on fights that lack break bars or things like boss Abigail in Salem.

Edit: It's also weird that you say she has no farming potential since she was considered the best Berserker for farming until Skadi enabled loop setups, and even then she was fine for a single turn. It wasn't until Arjuna (Alter) came out that Raikou has been trashed this much. I still say her perceived worthlessness is more because Demonic enemies pretty much stopped appearing in LBs than anything else.

[Zork Knight]

So, Arjuna now has Garden of Avalon as a skill essentially?

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It's also weird that you say she has no farming potential since she was considered the best Berserker for farming until Skadi enabled loop setups

Wasn't she the only SSR Berserker with an AoE NP though?

[Pendant]

I do agree with Aozaki that she's not a good farmer. You would always see her on support with kaleidos more than anything else because people like showing off their trophy limited SSRs moreso than that she was the best at farming.

If anything it speaks to Kaleidoscope excelling at farming rather than Raikou herself.

[Aozaki-desu]

That's your argument? Cause the same applies to Xiang Yu and Musashi (Berserker), but I don't see anyone screaming from the rooftops that they need buffs for that reason.

I agree that Kintoki still has flexibility to some extent, but that's all he has going for him anymore. In terms of raw damage, he's nowhere near the best, and raw damage only matters on fights that lack break bars or things like boss Abigail in Salem.

Edit: It's also weird that you say she has no farming potential since she was considered the best Berserker for farming until Skadi enabled loop setups, and even then she was fine for a single turn. It wasn't until Arjuna (Alter) came out that Raikou has been trashed this much. I still say her perceived worthlessness is more because Demonic enemies pretty much stopped appearing in LBs than anything else.

Xiang Yu and Musashi are far from cream of the crop as well
Doomhorse is only specifically good for a cheap-but-massive BBB (if you reset a hundred times) and its ONLY because he got a massive 100% crit buff
Berserker Musashi is a meme unit, she is not actually good or competitive

Raikou's fall from grace i would say was pretty gradual. When she came out she was pretty big because no options, she was pretty alright until Skadi release and after that she's just dead
She has no NP charge and cannot do back to back NPs and she also has no damage. For all her skills and nature as high atk ssr berserker her NP damage is actually just average sub30k on her own before power-ups. Her only saving grace is that everyone is weak. But you cant farm with average damage.

I'm not sure what you are referring to when talking about trashing Raikou but she's been outright weak for a long time now. Want to farm? No can do. Want to challenge quest? Her base damage is so low that she fares extremely poorly when stuffed with buffs compared to other CQ options which offer so much more than she does.

Like, my alt has NP1 Raikou and she is an unironic dead weight. Last two times i tried to use her i regretted it because she cant fucking deal damage.

[SpoonyViking]

Why though
We already have Tristan and David for that

As someone who has both Archer and David on his main team, I'd fully support Archer also getting party-wide Evasion!

[Rafflesiac]

Oh hey, just like I called it.

Which is a pity since I don't have Arjuna lol

[manafusion]

She was fine. The only real problem she had was needing Demonic enemies to keep her damage up, and DW gutted the appearance of Demonic enemies since LB3 onwards. The idea that Arjuna (Alter) broke her still applies to all the other Berserkers because good battery + 3 turn huge damage buffs + extremely reliable way to deal insane non-NP damage pretty much shit over the rest since they can only do 1 or, at best, 2 of those things. Raikou already had okay NP damage (yes, trait-related, but so what?) + good non-NP damage.

Meanwhile they'd done nothing to address the main problem of Kintoki ever since Break bars have come into play, especially when they oopsied and made it so that MHXA and Atalante (Alter) pretty much match his NP damage potential while still being able to pump out solid damage for 3 turns thanks to Skadi.

I think the problem is that she lost most of her identity when Arjuna Alter came because they both do about the same thing but Arjuna Alter just does it better. Outside the "Demonic enemies" gimmick and massive star generation from NP buff. Giving her a damage boost as well as a Crit Damage Down effect helps separate her from Arjuna Alter a little more.

Though, being the only Berserker that can generate a ton of stars by herself (though only by getting the buff from her NP) is something that I think is unique and I wish they buffed that aspect of hers. Maybe give her a 3 turn buff that lets her cards generate stars or something.

[asterism42]

[Zork Knight]

To be honest, all offensive SSR Servants that only have a 1-turn damage boost feel pretty sad

Save for Kintoki

[manafusion]

To be honest, all offensive SSR Servants that only have a 1-turn damage boost feel pretty sad

Save for Kintoki

Why only Kintoki? There're other ST Servants who have 1-turn damage boost as well with about the same amount.

[Zork Knight]

Why only Kintoki? There're other ST Servants who have 1-turn damage boost as well with about the same amount.

But are they Berserkers with 50% battery

[Deathhappens]

Half points on guessing the strengthened Servants again. An NP strengthening does nothing to make Nezha actually stand out from the 4* Lancer crowd, but at least she's usable now? I guess?

[Zork Knight]

Timely 1650 days Quartz

Now to hope for a bombastic 5th Anniversary banner...

[Nikiri]

Half points on guessing the strengthened Servants again. An NP strengthening does nothing to make Nezha actually stand out from the 4* Lancer crowd, but at least she's usable now? I guess?

would like to say so, but she still doesn't have much use, outside of non lb kaleido + lv10 2nd skill for NP (but that Romulus can also do, with less cost and higher dmg)