Fate/Ergo Sum *AKA Fate/Stay Night WITH PHILOSOPHERS!!*

[RoydGolden]

(Reposting this as its own thread because nobody seemed to reply when I put it over in Miscellaneous Thoughts)

You know what would be the most amazing/ridiculous thing ever (hyperbolically speaking, that is)? A Fate spinoff where the Servant roster consists entirely of famous philosophers from throughout history. Obviously the designs would be totally over-the-top and anime-ified (and probably genderbent, because why the fuck not) with powers based off their philosophical beliefs, like William of Ockham would be a blonde bishonen obsessed with "simplicity" swinging around a gigantic straight-razor/sword Cloud Strife style, Descartes could cast illusions and use Vector Magic ala Medusa from Soul Eater, Hobbes could summon a giant tentacled "leviathan" to besiege his foes and so on. Oh and Diogenes would be a cute girl with dog ears who'd carry around a magical lantern and be all super abrasive and tsun-tsun to everyone except Antisthenes (also genderbent) who she'd have boatloads of yuri subtext with. Have I hit enough archetypes yet?

So whaddya think guys, greatest anime/manga idea ever or greatest manga/anime idea ever? (False dilemma? Pfft, what are you talking about?) Also feel free to put down your own crazy ideas for philosophers as Heroic Spirits so I can shamelessly steal them and use them for myself mwahahahahaa! *shot*

[Lycodrake]

Firstly, there's not really a need for a separate thread for this.
Secondly, there is an extreme lack of Thales as a waterbender, Heraclitus as a firebender, and/or Anaximenes as an earthbender.

[Mazyrian]

Hume with a causality-denying attack (even if blocked it hits, because you can't prove the cause of blocking the attack leads into the consequence of the attack being blocked)
Nietzche with a God-killing NP (the higher the opponent's divinity, the stronger)
Sartre as a Berserker, because of radical freedom

[Sesto]

i think should probably be in fan fiction

[Imperial]

This sounds like something for the Fanfic Idea Thread.

It's not an actual Fate work or a thought-provoking or even meme-riffic poll.

[CosmicVibe]

This sounds like something for the Fanfic Idea Thread.

It's not an actual Fate work or a thought-provoking or even meme-riffic poll.

So whaddya think guys, greatest anime/manga idea ever or greatest manga/anime idea ever? (False dilemma? Pfft, what are you talking about?) Also feel free to put down your own crazy ideas for philosophers as Heroic Spirits so I can shamelessly steal them and use them for myself mwahahahahaa! *shot*

I mean its pretty much given.

[SeiKeo]

it's also... come on man occam's literal razor...

[RoydGolden]

Hume with a causality-denying attack (even if blocked it hits, because you can't prove the cause of blocking the attack leads into the consequence of the attack being blocked)
Nietzche with a God-killing NP (the higher the opponent's divinity, the stronger)
Sartre as a Berserker, because of radical freedom

Those are some good ideas! Especially Hume's. Nietzche's god-killing attack is also nice (if not terribly hard to think of). Funny story, I'd thought of doing a Caster Nietzche sheet once upon a time, with the same idea as you for a NP (called Gott Ist Tot of course) that would do more damage based on the opponent's degree of Divinity (plus an Ubermensch NP that would temporarily give him an enormous stat boost through embodying his conception of the "ideal man"). Ended up scrapping it because Ubermensch on its own would be generic and I couldn't think of how Gott Ist Tot would be visualized. Seriously, if anyone can think of a cool visual effect to accompany a god-killing attack (preferably something that references Nietzche's philosophy in some way) then I'd be totally in your debt.

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it's also... come on man occam's literal razor...

What's wrong with that? It wouldn't be anime without at least one dude slinging around a giant sword after all. I actually wrote up an entire Saber Occam sheet for a hypothetical Fate fanfic, with the razor as his Noble Phantasm that would show him the simplest path to cutting the enemy. I'd written up a Personality section, Appearance and everything. But I ended up deciding that was a little too out there and ended up replacing him with Arsalan instead (interestingly enough, I more or less reused his appearance for my Columbus sheet later).

[Lycodrake]

See, modern/post-modern philosophers might be okay, but why focus on them when you can focus on my friend Zeno of Elea? Achilles would hate him.
Or at least give some focus to the elementally-minded pre-Socratics that I mentioned.

Also, yeah, Occam would be much more interesting without the *literal* huge-ass sword idea.

[SeiKeo]

What's wrong with that? It wouldn't be anime without at least one dude slinging around a giant sword after all, and Occam's the closest thing to fitting that.

Wanna see some whacked out shit, not a pile of anime cliches and the most literal interpretations possible off of their wiki description.

[Historia]

Wait, what.

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Please move this to fan-fiction subforum.

[RoydGolden]

See, modern/post-modern philosophers might be okay, but why focus on them when you can focus on my friend Zeno of Elea? Achilles would hate him.
Or at least give some focus to the elementally-minded pre-Socratics that I mentioned.

Also, yeah, Occam would be much more interesting without the *literal* huge-ass sword idea.

Xeno would make a good Caster, I'd imagine. His NP would be called Paradox Road- The Ever-Expanding Path To Nowhere and it's effect would be perpetually increasing the distance between him and the opponent so no matter how they go they still can't reach him (but it can be overcome if they go faster then the rate at which distance is being increased). Maybe his other paradoxes could be used for different NPs or something, not really sure.

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Wanna see some whacked out shit, not a pile of anime cliches and the most literal interpretations possible off of their wiki description.

Haven't you read the first post? Y'know, the one with genderbend Inumimi Diogenes? The whole point of this thread is mixing philosophy and silly anime clichés up in a blender and seeing what sticks. I'm a tad surprised you decided to take issue with Literal!Occam instead of that one, honestly.

[just Beamu]

I thought you actually asked about where to put this in another thread and were directed towards the Fanfic subforum? Unless I'm thinking of somebody else.

[RoydGolden]

Wasn't me. Literally the only response I got when I posted this in the Miscellaneous section was "Heck off. " in response to me whoring for replies. You must be thinking of someone else.

[RoydGolden]

I wonder if Plato would have First Magic, since the core principles behind it (what exists always exists, "change" is an illusion of sense perception) are pretty clearly inspired by his philosophy. Would make him a pretty powerful Caster, that's for sure (as well as the fame boost he'd inevitably get for being "the father of modern philosophy"). Plus he'd definitely have his titular cave as a Reality Marble of some sort (not sure what its effect would be, though).

[Seika]

I wonder if Plato would have First Magic, since the core principles behind it (what exists always exists, "change" is an illusion of sense perception) are pretty clearly inspired by his philosophy.

That's Parmenides, not Plato. Also that's a lot of assumptions to be making from the very very little we know about the First Magic.

[RoydGolden]

Yeah, it was Parmenides who believed change to be an illusion, not Plato. Still though, Plato may have acknowledged the existence of change, but he certainly didn't recognize it as ontologically fundamental. It's only the apparent world that changes, the real world, the world of forms which ours is just an imperfect shadow of, exists eternally. And from what little we know of it, First Magic seems to work by similar principles (I imagine it allows for apparent "creation" of matter by basically summoning it from platonic space).

[mAc Chaos]

That's Parmenides, not Plato. Also that's a lot of assumptions to be making from the very very little we know about the First Magic.

That's what fanfics are for if you can flesh it out well enough.

[Siriel]

Those are some good ideas! Especially Hume's. Nietzche's god-killing attack is also nice (if not terribly hard to think of). Funny story, I'd thought of doing a Caster Nietzche sheet once upon a time, with the same idea as you for a NP (called Gott Ist Tot of course) that would do more damage based on the opponent's degree of Divinity (plus an Ubermensch NP that would temporarily give him an enormous stat boost through embodying his conception of the "ideal man"). Ended up scrapping it because Ubermensch on its own would be generic and I couldn't think of how Gott Ist Tot would be visualized. Seriously, if anyone can think of a cool visual effect to accompany a god-killing attack (preferably something that references Nietzche's philosophy in some way) then I'd be totally in your debt.

Why would Nietzsche have a god-killing anything?

[Seika]

Wir haben ihn getötet - ihr und ich!

Unless you seriously mean to dissociate Nietzsche from his prophetic characters.

That said, killing God rather misses the point of Nietzsche. God is either already dead, or inevitably to die, whether he struggles or not. The important thing is how one goes from there: does one raise up a new God from the corpse, or raise it up from oneself?