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    Rin uses projected gems along with her Elements in the way that she is the only one in the world can do as an Average One. The strong point of Jewel Magecraft is that each gems have each own Elements, lore and huge amount of mana so the magus can easily cast them as Single Count spell. When use projection into gems, you need to put Element into that, such as Ruby require Fire,... Normal magus only have one or two Elements max, even Lords only have 3 so it is impossible them to use projected gems for the complex spells require different gem and distinctive Elements. For example, Luvia only has Earth so she cant use her trump card - Kaleidoscope Canon which require 5 different gems and Elements with that projected gems spell.

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    so does this confirm you flat out cant do spells outside your own elemental alignment?

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    Have they introduced any kind of proper name to call the god-eaters as of yet?

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    Ergo and Bai Ruolong :V
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    Punching out some nerd doesn't make you a better magus.

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    Ruolong is a dragon eater, so the names for the god eaters would be just Ergo, Arjuna Alter, and Ashiya Douman.

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    「ミス・トオサカはいかがでした?」
    「強敵だった。向こうでは、海賊のコンサルタントをやっていたが」
     その言葉を耳にして、ルヴィアは二度ほど瞬きした。
     生真面目な顔つきで、
    「その手が、ありましたか……」
     と、口元に手をやったのだ。
     つい、ライネスがツッコミを入れる。
    「君、本気で感心しているんじゃなかろうな」
    「もちろん本気ですわ。彼女が反体制で来るのなら、こちらは正々堂々と民間軍事会社を経営すべきでした。ま さか、こんなところで遅れをとるとは。いいえ、今からでも遅くありません。すぐ、表で待ってる従僕のクラウ ンに設立させましょう」
    「この場に兄上がいたら、さぞいい表情で胃を押さえてくれるだろうな」
    Interesting to see Luvia’s reaction to Rin’s pirating is to start a private military company of her own lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quoren View Post
    Have they introduced any kind of proper name to call the god-eaters as of yet?
    Technical name? Then no. The Yakou call them Chest Owner but it kinda limited to this family only.
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    In the way preserve Mystery from past era, the term Black Chest/Chest Owner is equivalent to Gods Holder of Bazett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byegod View Post
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    so does this confirm you flat out cant do spells outside your own elemental alignment?
    Always have been. But they still can use other Elements in a very limited way because they dont have and dont familiar with. For example, Aoko can use little bit Fire then boost it with her own Wind to make Burning Spell reach Afterburner engine level. While projected gems with very small amount of Elements wont good enough to replace real one to cast or complex gem spells. Projected gems is something madness that only Rin can do.

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    Chapter 2
    Following Mikiya's map, Waver and Ergo took a 1-hour car trip to a hill away from Tokyo's urban areas. Instead of telling Ergo where they were, Waver exposited the traits of the Yakou lineage. He recalled how their buildings were all black both inside and outside, and how all subordinates were black all the time. This seeming obsession with one specific color reflects a trait of the use of magecraft through a Divine Body: the god is the one who makes the calls. Their engagement with their magecraft is almost automatically an engagement with a god, so they must be a lot more methodical and have less power of choice than a Western mage. Waver asked for a break and took one of his gimmick cigars to recover stamina. The cigar also regulated his body temperature and could double as an aphrodisiac, but I doubt this will be relevant. Waver asked Ergo about his theophage hunger but Ergo answered they quieted down a lot since Mana read him a book. Waver asked about Ergo's personality changes, and the main thing Ergo focused on was how embarrassing his loss against Ruo was. Beating Wuzhiqi's clone made him feel invincible, but in the next fight, while he lost control, the red arms he got in this rampaging state were even stronger than the blue arms he beat Wuzhiqi with, and even with those he lost. That's the experience that replaced his innocence with more complex emotions, as shown with how despite all this embarrassment, frustration, and self-pity, he still rushed to save Ruolong from the box. Waver could relate to frustration over others being stronger. He then asked for Ergo's thoughts on Ruolong. Ergo was afraid, while also recognizing Ruo was telling the truth about being his former best friend. But most importantly, Ergo wanted to defeat him. After Ruo gets out of the box, Ergo wants a rematch where he wins. Ergo was more competitive than he thought he was. Waver saw this as a quality of Iskandar and encouraged him to treasure the feeling. 10 more minutes up the mountain, they found a wooden shack in the forest. There they meet Tobori Genma, the mask maker. Waver introduced himself, and Genma almost couldn't believe he was seeing a Clock Tower Lord that came all the way to Japan. Genma confirmed that he made all of the Yakou's masks and invited them in.

    The interior of Genma's shack was filled with kagura masks. Masks used in rites to entertain the gods. Japanese gods are notoriously fond of the arts, festivals, and games, so people have all sorts of rites they perform when they need the gods to visit, give blessings, quell their rages, or more relevantly to Ergo's memory saturation and Gray's age stagnation, leave. Genma is surprised again by Waver's lecture, as he always imagined Clock Tower people would dismiss Japanese Mystery as worthless superstition, but Waver assured he was not wrong, there were a lot of people in his organization that did think like that. Before Genma asked Waver's business, he already warned that he won't take orders to stop cooperating with the Yakou. Genma was a dutiful man, and couldn't abandon his most regular customer no matter how much money a Lord can offer. But that wasn't what Waver was there for. He just wanted to commission an Ergo mask. Genma refused because he could tell at first glance that Ergo had four faces, all entirely different from each other. He was impressed and confused that all that could fit in one body. Ergo asked what the faces looked like, but Genma could only see Ergo's own face and the monkey face. The two Ergo still wasn't aware of were looking the other way. Genma asked exactly what the hell he was looking at, and Ergo dumped a complete recap of his situation, including his fears of eating Gray and Ruo, and his frustration over getting owned in the Ruo fight. Genma reacted with the synopsis' opening quote. Genma understood what they were there for and complimented Waver for in his first visit already understanding what his masks were about better than the Yakou did. Genma couldn't make an Ergo mask, but that didn't mean he had no mask for Ergo. He took a wooden box with a not yet designed mask. Genma's teacher said it was made of divine wood when he inherited it, but he didn't buy the claim because the material felt a lot more like ivory. It's a composite, but he couldn't tell of what. His theories when he was a kid were that it was taken from an oni or a mammoth's face. Either way, that's the only mask that can fit Ergo's inner face. A mask that can invite the gods in earnest, and ask them to leave. Waver asked what he could do to help complete the mask, but Genma already had everything. The Tobori clan existed to make masks for the gods, so he was basically accomplishing the clan's goal there. He didn't even demand payment. Ergo was really hesitant because getting the gods to leave would mean missing his chance to beat Ruo. Genma said that adjusting the mask would take time and Ergo had to wait by listening to his family's backstory.


    Meanwhile, Rin was syncing a ruby with the ruby thrown inside Akira's box, while she and Gray enjoyed Suzurigi's sandwiches and discussed Akira's family situation. Gray related the Yakou to the Blackmore, for their ties to their land and demand for a special child to be the vessel for a greater being. They discussed their situation, with a lot of Rin teasing Gray for her lack of proactivity while encouraging her to push Waver into staying a teacher. Gray also thought about how much she liked Ruo's chaofan and determined she wanted to have another meal with him and Akira. Rin's ruby then started moving in the air, informing that the Yakou were starting the Black Chest ritual. No one had any time to waste. Rin and Gray moved out.


    Before Genma was adopted into the Tobori family, he was Yukinobu's older brother. Though by this point he has been Tobori Genma for far longer than he has been Yakou Genma. Mei and Akira used to visit his shack often as little(r) kids, and he knew neither of them was fit to be the successor. Mei always talked about she wanted to go to school instead of being homeschooled in the mountain as all Yakous did. On another note, the clan wanted to marry Akira to Genma, since his changing family names was very convenient for that. Ergo didn't react nicely to the thought of uncle-niece incest, and Genma added that it's far from the worst level of inbreeding the Yakou stepped into to thicken their special blood. There are even cases of father-daughter and grandfather-granddaughter incest in the family's history. However, Yukinobu was the greatest genius the clan had in centuries. One day, when Yukinobu was almost 6, he was seen walking midair. In Eastern Magecraft, flying is proof that you're a Xian, so that was huge. As the older brother, Genma was supposed to be the heir, but Yukinobu's talent was so many levels above that he was pushed to the top of the succession line. Seeing how he was basically nothing in comparison, Genma lost his ambition, but in exchange, found what he really wanted to do. Akane ordered him to stay in the mountain as Yukinobu's support, but Yukinobu vowed to be both the heir and the Black Chest in order to let his brother live the life he wanted to live, and that's also what spared Genma from the arranged incest marriage later on. Yukinobu was powerful enough to get away with making demands that went against the clan's will. As he left to become the Tobori's mask maker student, Genma promised to make the perfect mask for his brother, a promise he fulfilled later in life. Fast forward a couple of decades and Yukinobu started getting rejected by the Divine Body, and that's when he started leaving the mountain regularly to see the doctor. Due to living isolated for so long, Yukinobu fell in love at first sight with one of the first women he found. He married her and they got a house next to the Yakou's mountain, where they could live together without the wife learning that magecraft exists. That was the happiest phase of his life. Unfortunately, the rejection kept getting worse, so he was forced to divorce her and disappear instead of telling her about magecraft and trying to convince her it's a good idea to transfer the curse that was killing him to their daughter. And Yukinobu's shit luck didn't stop there. The Black Chest transplant failed, killing Mei. The Yakou did all they could to prevent this, but the transplant is dangerous by default. With Mei dead, they had to go for Akira. Waver retold the story Yukinobu told the last volume about Akira's mother neglecting and ultimately abandoning her, and Genma said there was no lie there, but it was an unfair telling because it was told from Yukinobu's perspective. He was a super genius with minimal contact with the outside world, so he didn't have a solid notion that what was easy for him could be impossible for others. When the weird spiritual phenomena started happening, Akira's mother hired a faith healer to give Akira a prayer. He was a pretty decent professional, but he still rot from the inside and vomited blood until he died in front of them. The mother lost it completely and was later found by Yukinobu wandering the streets and taken by Genma to a friend's psychiatric hospital.


    Genma mused some about the inherent tragedy of magecraft, with so many sacrifices being constantly made for the sake of something that can lose its value at any moment. He asked for the Lord's perspective on the dilemma, but Waver thinks he asked the wrong guy, as he is the least talented Lord ever. He was just a guy struggling against both the system's and his own worthlessness to feel like has the right to dream and to like magecraft. Genma recalled the two geniuses he knew, Yukinobu and Shiki, mused about how life doesn't give special treatment to the talented either. The story was over and the mask was sculpted. Perhaps an even better mask than the masterpiece he made for his brother. Genma told Ergo to use the mask to interact with the gods however he wanted to. He could use it to ask the gods to leave, but he could also use it to get their help in his goal of winning against Ruo. Genma was fine even with his mask being used as a weapon against Yukinobu and his mother. All he commented was that Ergo had a great teacher and shouldn't use the mask to betray his teachings. There's a recurring theme in this chapter of doing what you want despite the complicating circumstances, as shown both in Gray's being encouraged to do so by Rin, Yukinobu pushing his will to allow Genma to push his, and now the decision Ergo is being asked to make with his mask.


    The next scene is Ruo inside the empty darkness. He called Akira and got no response. He knew from the get-go which god the Yakou used but still didn't know which version of the god it was. But Akane using the Ibuki dharma tipped him to the fact his presence is considered an impurity they need to exorcise. Ruo's theophage hunger distracted him and he started thinking about Ergo. He won the first round because Ergo wasn't up to his full potential, but the simulations he was running in his head against full power Ergo were less favorable. He could win some of the battles, but his imagination wasn't all that reliable since he didn't know who the Atlas god was. Still, Ruo keep imagining his waltz with his only companion like a lovesick schoolboy (Sanda's choices of word here) until Akira woke up. She still wasn't too conscious because the Divine Body was starting to take root in her soul. Ruo never took her out of Tokyo because he was afraid the god would react and overwrite her. The plan was to just run around the city until he regrouped with his teacher. Still really mad the gambling addict used him for a bet, by the way. He recommended Akira tried moon-viewing to keep her stable (the same meditation method Ergo has been using to control his hunger per Waver's recommendation in volume 1, if you recall), but she wasn't good at it. Ruo tries using Yuepozhou (can't tell what the spell is IRL because all material about it on Google is in Chinese but it seems to be something to exert influence on one's soul) to spread his Od as moonlight aura, reaching Akira to detect and safeguard her soul. Sometime later, he detected someone arriving.


    Rin was driving a Ryougi SUV to the Yakou's mountain (Suzurigi can authorize lending a car, apparently). It was covered in a giant cube of miasma when they got there, confirming Gray's feelings that the Yakou resembled the Blackmore. The borders of the cube were a barrier preventing things from entering the Bounded Field. Rin used a Pseudo-Edelstein wind spell to split the miasma, opening a path for the SUV. The mountain got angry and tried to knock trees on the car, but Gray opened her door and started dispatching them with her Battering Ram. They reached a row of black toriis and left the car. Gray asked for the name of the mountain and Rin revealed it's Mt. Kuchinawa.


    Genma delivered the sculpted mask. It's the same smooth surface as before, just with some lines carved on it, but that simple work took all that Genma had. He looked like he got sick and aged 10 years. Genma stopped Ergo from putting on the mask, warning that his mask had a will of its own. He took off the mask piece he wore over his right eye to show that he had no skin because when he was young, he put on a flesh-taking mask just for fun. Normal masks, like the one the Yakou use in their magecraft, are temporary faces, but Ergo's mask wasn't that. Once he wears it, that will be his new face, so Ergo should only wear it when he's sure of what face he wants to make. Ergo asked Waver if his progress was of any use as a hint for Gray's case. Waver didn't answer and shifted the subject to Genma's payment. Genma said again that he didn't need to be paid, but Waver couldn't bring himself to accept such an amazing item for free. He told Genma that he was hired by Mikiya to save Akira. Genma took some staggering steps and sat on a swing he built to give Mei and Akira a distraction when they came to his shack. He made his final comments on the contradiction between Waver's wishes to pursue magecraft and to treat people right, using the same unreachable star analogy from Avalon le Fae, and finally accepted Akira's rescue as his payment.


    Next is chapter 3, which I was told is the one with the explanation for what Philosophy Magecraft is. Depending on how long and how juicy this part is, I'll be translating it in full as soon as I get to it instead of waiting for me to finish the chapter to put it in the summary.

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    I don't know why but I'd just been assuming Philosophy Magecraft was something that'd go without a proper explanation for years

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    At least Sanda seems to be aware of how gay the relationship between Ergo and Ruolong sounds
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
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    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly

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    Damn Yukinobu's story is fucked up.

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    Thanks for the summaries Comun
    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    At least Sanda seems to be aware of how gay the relationship between Ergo and Ruolong sounds
    He's writing a series about Waver, he knows it won't be completed without the gay undertones spread everywhere
    Besides Waver went on a character arc about his pinning last series, we needed a new character to fill that role on this one LOL

    On another tangent, also look at who Ergo's second god is, he isn't famous for being the straigthest of gods

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    On Ruo's end it's real gay but on Ergo's end my first thought was honestly Goku. Especially since he has Wukong in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misaya View Post
    Spoiler:
    Rin uses projected gems along with her Elements in the way that she is the only one in the world can do as an Average One. The strong point of Jewel Magecraft is that each gems have each own Elements, lore and huge amount of mana so the magus can easily cast them as Single Count spell. When use projection into gems, you need to put Element into that, such as Ruby require Fire,... Normal magus only have one or two Elements max, even Lords only have 3 so it is impossible them to use projected gems for the complex spells require different gem and distinctive Elements. For example, Luvia only has Earth so she cant use her trump card - Kaleidoscope Canon which require 5 different gems and Elements with that projected gems spell.
    Spoiler:
    Why would you even have a trump card you can't even use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    I don't know why but I'd just been assuming Philosophy Magecraft was something that'd go without a proper explanation for years
    Because thats how nasu lore typically goes a lot a of the time

    perpetual blue balling

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    Quote Originally Posted by warellis View Post
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    Why would you even have a trump card you can't even use?
    She cant use that trump card with projected gems because lack of Elements. Luvia always has huge amount of real one so it no problem for her. While Rin case, you know that, she always broke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    HOODIE RIN

    HOODIE RIN

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    that doesnt sound right with vol 2 saying it's a Hellenistic god spread east to India then Japan
    Walking Legends
    That have i once wondered as i knew that either Herakles or Zeus myths formed in the Indian /today Afganistan region the legend of Vajrapani and in japan culminated into Nio but i didnt knew that the transfer of legends and stories could reach so far like what is Seths counterpart in the Indian and Chinese Woorld or other examples would make me curious to know ?





    Quote Originally Posted by TamamoRoute View Post
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    An interesting thing is that while they are comparing Seth vs Apep with Zeus vs Typhon, Seth and Typhon were the ones thought to be equivalent by the Greeks, being deities of chaos.
    Some Divine Facts
    Despite that its rather interesting that Seth is rather the Beasts slayer then the Beast. Also its actually interesting as Seth wasnt just an Chaos God he were actually pretty heroic as he just later after the Hyksos conquest was seen as Vilain due to his similarity to their Baal Zephon ,as he were Protector of egypt aswell is he God of multiple other domains also was said that his veins should be of iron .

    Also was Seth an God of the Berber .similar like th Berber shared the some Sun centred religion .


    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    Ruolong is a dragon eater, so the names for the god eaters would be just Ergo, Arjuna Alter, and Ashiya Douman.
    That remins me strongly on fairy tail with Dragon Slayer and Godo slayer magic to be honest but i wonder how does that function are they now Demi gods like servant divinity rank C ?and where they got the flesh of the Gods ? also is ergo now a Homunculus ?

    and about the other atleast 7 Divine Bodies are they appearaing later or ist that just a throw out fact and which other preservation methods could you think respectively which other Shinto Kamis could they be ? and as i honestly am working on a Grailwar story were WAver and Gray play a Role in a Europe centric Grailwar story wher my Hokkaido Jiken builds the prequel how is it with Divine Sorcery in Euope ? As i found several ways of preservation and wrothe out even some Mage clan stories .

    so because that now El MElloi case files start to get the same themes like my stories am i intersted to hear your theories !

    Aswell would someone via pm be intersteed to take a glimpse ?
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    Other of the 7 remaining Divine Bodies will probably appear spread in other series, and even then I'm not expecting so see all of them.

    If we were to theorize we already seen some before though:
    - Kiichi Hougen was a Tengu receiving power directly from Maouson, so I'm confident in assuming the Myourenji clan uses his Divine Body.
    - The Fujou clan were itakos, so there's a decentish chance they have Jizou's.

    The Yakou are distant relatives to the Ryougi, so it woundn't be farfetched to assume the 4 demon hunter families covered half of the Divine Body owners, but I want to read more about the Yakou-Ryougi relationship before commiting to theories on this one. But if that is the case, my bets are Ryougi (Yakou) with Kuninushi, Nanaya with Raijin, Fujou with Jizou, and... no idea for the Asakami because there are too many oni god options available and none that stand out.

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