Melty Blood Discussion

[Tobias]

I suppose so.

Still never heard what that win quote vs Ryougi was supposed to say.

Edit: speculah

All this talk about Arc getting soft is a lead into Arc going to her castle for Tsukihime 2

actually, that was me just paraphrasing, though you might be able to make the same speculation, since what she actually says is "this is what comes of relying on Tohno-kun to much"

[SteinsGate]

I don't want to repeat myself, but because Roa is back Arc power was reduced to that in Tsukihime. It was pointed in Roas Arcade

[Dartz]

Powered Ciel.

Like I said. The Kanji says full armed Ciel.

I agree, but is there any occasion when Nasu said from from his point of view this incarnation of Ciel absolutely cannot defeat Arcueid?

No, but better yet. A far weakened Arc easily defeated her in Tsukihime, fair and square. So yeah.

EDIT: Is it really stated that she got weaker because Roa is back? I guess should transcript Roa's win quote.

[terraablaze]

Maybe she is fully armed with all her powers now?
She is using Roa's magecraft for some reason, and has new fighting techniques that I haven't seen before and seem to come from the void itself.

[Tangerang]

No, but better yet. A far weakened Arc easily defeated her in Tsukihime, fair and square. So yeah.

...wait, what?

Wasn't that Warc, or are you talking about another part?
Because weakened Arc is ridiculously weak, to the point of losing to Roa.

[terraablaze]

...wait, what?

Wasn't that Warc, or are you talking about another part?
Because weakened Arc is ridiculously weak, to the point of losing to Roa.

I think he forgets that one scene involved her giving into her bloodlust therefore granting her all the power she was using to restrain herself.

[Tobias]

I thought he was talking about the scene in the park where ciel jumped arc, but wasnt able to do much.

if he is talking about the warc scene, thats silly, but, then again, its dartz.

[terraablaze]

I thought he was talking about the scene in the park where ciel jumped arc, but wasnt able to do much.

if he is talking about the warc scene, thats silly, but, then again, its dartz.

Been so long since I read, we need context. The situation, how was their respective conditions after the fight, etc.

[Tobias]

been a while since I read, but unless I remember wrong, Ciel dials up arc and offers to meet her under a flag of truce, arc shows, Ciel tries to take her down in a surprise attack, and shiki walks in and the line is something like arc seems very relaxed, but ciel is all business.

[Tangerang]

been a while since I read, but unless I remember wrong, Ciel dials up arc and offers to meet her under a flag of truce, arc shows, Ciel tries to take her down in a surprise attack, and shiki walks in and the line is something like arc seems very relaxed, but ciel is all business.

Which route is this? And what day (if possible)?

[Blastedspider]

The Kanji says full armed
Ciel.

It's literal translation. I maybe wrong but the actual meaning is "powered". I think it's military term which is roughly equivalent to "fully-operational"?

And, yeah, she says that her strength is reinforced by magic.

A far weakened Arc
easily defeated her in Tsukihime, fair
and square.

I don't rememer any situation where "normal" Arcueid engaged into fight with "powered" Ciel. Might you tell where such fight occured?

[Tobias]

Which route is this? And what day (if possible)?

erm...gorram it...I think it was ciels? I remember thinking it was weird since it made ciel look bad...after the nero fight?


hell, I duno if I didnt skits the whole thing up, its been months since I played.

[Dartz]

Maybe she is fully armed with all her powers now?
She is using Roa's magecraft for some reason, and has new fighting techniques that I haven't seen before and seem to come from the void itself.

Don't know. I guess I should check her profile. But that would imply that she is even more powerful than most Servants, and can against them offensively, which I find unlikely.

...wait, what?

Wasn't that Warc, or are you talking about another part?
Because weakened Arc is ridiculously weak, to the point of losing to Roa.

... Did you forgot Ciel's route. The scene at the park?

if he is talking about the warc scene, thats silly, but, then again, its dartz.

You should watch what you say. I don't think I have said anything to earn that kind of response from you.

[SteinsGate]

Yeah Ciel route 6th day

Sword in hand, it jumps towards Arcueid.
Arcueid deflects the blade coming in towards her chest with her hand and lightly contacts the chest of that black shape.

In the next instant,
that sword wielding shape flies through the air like a soccer ball.

EDIT: or this

The fight is quickly decided.
Senpai's body flies lightly on the air and strikes the ground rolling
like a piece of trash

[Tobias]

You should watch what you say. I don't think I have said anything to earn that kind of response from you.

you know attempting to watch what you say is quite hard, and it makes you look ridiculous.

[Dartz]

And, yeah, she says that her strength is reinforced by magic.

Where?

I don't rememer any situation where "normal" Arcueid engaged into fight with "powered" Ciel. Might you tell where such fight occured?

What do you mean by normal!Arcueid? Any Arc that's not Warc is normal. Also, being enhanced by magic is going to do jack shit against Arc's + 1 ability and unlimited back up. Hell this is why Nasu stated that whether a Servant stands a chance against her or not depends on their Noble Phantasms, since she uses her unlimited back up to fight while Servants use their respective Noble Phantasms (without that, they don't stand much of a chance).

[SteinsGate]

Where?

「完全に力負けですね。情けない。
　こちらの腕力は魔術によって強化済みです。女の身で
　重火器を扱うのです、それぐらいはしていますよ。

Here's something about her reinforcing her power with magic

[terraablaze]

Clearly Ciel is the new Tohno Shiki, her strength changes depending on the time of day, what she ate (she is usually super weak because curry is bad for her), whether she had sex recently (it makes her weaker), what she is wearing, as well as too many other factors to account for.

[Blastedspider]

where?

「完全に力負けですね。情けない。
　こちらの腕力は魔術によって強化済みです。女の身で
　重火器を扱うのです、それぐらいはしていますよ。」

What do you mean by normal!Arcueid?

Arcueid as she was encountered on the 4th stage of P. Ciel arcade mode.
Probably 30%. Or (30% - Roa).

Also,
being enhanced by magic is going to
do jack shit against Arc's + 1

Well, judging from their encounter, her ability may no count magical boosts. I think it' only logical, since spells are external.

[Mcjon01]

Like I said. The Kanji says full armed Ciel.

And Archetype's just says "True Ancestor Arcueid". Would you say that the title "Archetype:Earth" is meaningless, then, because the Japanese says something different?