sign of a healthy and working economy
sign of a healthy and working economy
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Another version of the same chart, highlighting different recessions and plotting points to specific dates.
Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart
I never thought I'd see the day where an economic indicator graph showcased exponential growth.
I was wrong.
If that doesn't ding Trump support, especially when improvements to unemployment are some of the things Dems pushed, nothing will.
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[16:43] <Twelveseal> Phallus in wonderland sounds like some bad loli-rape KC fanfic
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Honestly, I can see Trump spinning a bad economy in a positive light for himself by positioning himself to the Left of Biden on trade, much like he did against Hillary, because of how supply chains are too reliant on China. His attempts to change such trade agreements haven't been all that effective, given that his revised NAFTA didn't get signed until January of this year due to concentrated efforts on Democrats, so any real benefits they could yield haven't had the time to show up yet.
Never mind that he's quietly supported these measures too by keeping the worst parts of these agreements, and that Democrats were pushing for more positive guarantees about environmental and labor union stuff (course why not push for this in the first place with TARP and NAFTA?), but he's on the record for trying to reform the terrible trade system we currently have.
Yeah I don’t think anyone who wasn’t already planning to vote for trump will buy that.
see in 2016 Trump was able to present himself as something of a blank canvas, nobody knew quite what he would do (god how many arguments and articles were written about how the presidency would sober him up and teach him dignity...) and therefor people could hope he would act in a manner they wished. Next election people will be judging him based on his actions
EDIT: it’s actually not that dissimilar from a fairly valid therapeutic strategy. If you don’t know what a patient wants or are trying to manage several simultaneously, just slap on a flat bland affect on and they will project onto you whatever you want.
I think Tobias' point is valid, Biden won't lose because of Trump's failure but just because he has no actual concept or will to deal with the problems that a Trump presidency caused.
He still has a near perfect approval rating among Republicans. They will show up again.
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Only the credulous PMC ever believed this crap.
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Considering that DNC is still pushing through with their plan to attract neverTrumpers, that is an issue. They're still taking for granted Sanders supporters backing Biden simply because he isn't Trump, and painting the marginal few that don't as the sole reason as to why Biden would have lost against Trump. Hell, just look at Whoopie Goldberg's interview with Bernie on The View for this.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...ll-in-the-race
Bro they know that strategy does not work. They have personally seen it fail and cost them one of the easiest elections in their lifetime. Stop thinking it is anything but ideological ass covering.
"you see guys we want to be center left but if we want to do our center left policies we just need to attract right wingers which is why we repeat right wing talking points"
I know its popular to think of the Democrats as incompetent but like 99% of that incompetency can be explained by the easily provable (by voting record or statements) fact that they simply do not share the ideology of most of their voting base.
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quarantine really destroyed the last vestiges of sanity left that americans barely has huh
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or maybe he saw an april fool joke on facebook and believed it idk
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Maybe the second one, but if we were all that nuts, thing's would be a lot messier here. Dude must like kool-aid.
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It won't because of his narrative: China was a bad player and now they caused Coronavirus, therefore, he was right all along and is trying to defend against a virus created by "America's adversaries" that threatens to derail his not-so-imagined-but-not-completely-his economic boom.
If Biden keeps limping along with his weird issues dragging him down, then Trump won't need to do much. The election is his to lose.
I agree the strategy doesn't work, yet you'll still find prominent heads repeating that this is what they want to do, snubbing Sanders supporters as being unreliable rather than a potential base they could expand on, but then they have Sanders supporters in this weird oxymoronic setting of insignificant because low turnout yet significant enough to cost the Democratic nominee the election.
Just gonna go ahead and assume he had some bit of qanon detritus rattling around in the ol’ brain box
why do you trust them to tell the truth at this point
You might not agree with tobias but he's a good barometer of the party center. They don't give a shit about lying evidently (like when they said they'd reach out and made the most progressive party platform ever, good job Sanders, go home, ignore the Wallstreet guys that we promised jobs to) and their base believes it. The most comfortable of all political positions.
edit: i dont mean that youre lying toby i mean that youre buying it sorry if that came out wrong
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Meanwhile, good ol' USA is attacking Venezuela again, because obviously with a record of deaths in NY and the contagion curve rising, taking down Maduro should be the priority.
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delayed reaction but the whole “why stay left but not full on socialist, it lost in 2016?!” Ignores the fact that strategy was what won 2018 for the DNC, this despite the fact that 2018 was both by representation and time (I.E., not a presidential year)
2018 was won on convincing suburban women and disaffected factory workers in the heartland that the democratic could do a better job without burning everything to the ground. As that is the most recent data point and also the one in which trump personally was resoundingly defeated, it’s a logical strategy to continue.
and hell, even that part also ignored another salient data point in that both 2018’s rout of the RNC and 2020’s repeated instances of Bernie getting kicked around even in his own strongholds heavily suggests that despite what twitter and reddit would have you believe, bernie’s base is not as large as he believes and most of his 2016 successes were as much based on Clinton fatigue as they were an unreported swell of support for his platform.
2018 had AOC and Tlaib winning and then 2019 DSA making gains in all state senates, cmon man (and in states like Maryland too before we get too hung up on New York here). There's no data point to suggest that, especially factory workers who got fucked over by democrat policies, were suddenly enthusiastic for the centrist project.
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