Yup. I saw that. It both is, and is not, surprising.
Yup. I saw that. It both is, and is not, surprising.
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There are some don't care who the king is, they care about their own lives. That's the truth.Originally Posted by rxrx
Egocentrism is obvious, but it's on such a delusional level it's a smack your head moment.
Something must have went very wrong somewhere for this to happen.
It's a rather large disconnect between reality and perception, yeah. Kind of like Fox's photoshopped images of the Seattle occupation. As for where it went wrong; probably the Cold War and subsequent fallout. In particular, the post-Vietnam era and Reagan's pro-business/militia/subtly-white-nationalist positions that the "government is the enemy," and that they should "starve the beast." Or the Moral Majority and its Religious Right successor telling the Christian population that the Left is evil and aligned with the Antichrist (though usually not in that phrasing). Not to mention things like tge now-Medal-of-Freedom-holding Rush Limbaugh and his far-reaching radio show, as well as later things like Alex Jones's conspiracy theory-laden Infowars and the knock-offs of the previous two, Fox News, and other media that have fostered the sense that the Right-Wing is morally and ethically correct and the "True American Way," and that the government is out to get them, while it's busy supporting "Un-American people" at home and internationally.
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I've seen an interesting theory that at least part of what is happening right now can be traced back to an unwillingness to actually occupy the South and reform its socio-political structure from the roots after the American Civil War.
I can kind of see that, tbh. Hot take, but colonialist practices aren't always bad. In leaving the South destitute, with a "Lost Generation" of people whose livlihoods and social structures were destroyed following war and drastic economic changes, the North simultaneously created the Wild West and created a fertile ground for both the "Lost Cause of the South," narrative as some kind of perverse moral superiority, and the idea that the Federal Government is an instrument of evil to take root and grow.
It probably didn't help that a great deal of exploitation of the South by Northern businesses followed.
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Well, without the colonists, the Aztecs would still be ripping hearts out, and the Pawnee would still be shooting girls in the name of the Morning Star. Also, the recent US riots have given me a lot of deja vu. Why? Oh, this is why:
It eats up resources. Your movement can still be fine, but now people will have genuine grievances to grill you over instead of outing themselves as racists.
The $500 trillion that existed in the minds of greedy lunatics who acted like you could charge $10,000 for a piece of plastic.
Originally Posted by Twelveseal
I was thinking more about the destruction of the Thugee cult and the beginning of the dismantling process of the caste-system in India. Your examples are kind of... a bit more mixed than I would have cited. They're not wrong, but the underlying atrocities are oof. I'm not saying that colonization doesn't have horrible characteristics; it's mostly about exploitation from the get-go. But it can also be beneficial for the people colonized if one can recognize the targets for what they are; people.
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Where are you even getting the stuff about the British contributing to dismantling the caste system. It's a system that they actively kept alive to pursue a policy of divide and rule. When people try to justify the British rule in India, the thing they usually bring up is the Railway system which they build up for about 10 times the cost. So even that was a net loss for Indians.
Something a bit subtler, in that forced interaction with a more powerful foreign culture demanded eventual adaptations to the extant culture. I don't mean that the British tried to remove the system, I mean that their presence and the pressure from the world at large that that presence brought initiated the process. One that's still ongoing.
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Just to remind people, the caste system is still functioning, whether you like it or not.
The West are lucky that their atrocities were done back in the time where it is not seen as that by the majority, and that no countries are strong enough to demand retribution. When they try, it is always it is a thing in the past and we have grow past that. Or Bunker Boy showed a new example: give the finger to whatever international court or organization is trying to hold a country responsible, even sanctioning them.
Oh yes, the caste system is still functioning. Even abroad, it still has a huge amount of influence. Just not as much as it used to. I never said the process was finished, but its power is declining. Progress is happening.
And yeah, now that we have an international community looking over everyone's shoulders, those kinds of practices are being called out for what they are, though you're right that relatively few are strong enough to demand retribution from those who conquered them. The Phillipines to the US, Tibet to China, or Palestine to Israel, for example. Sometimes good things come out of conquest and colonization, but usually it's far more negatives.
The fact that the ICC doesn't really have the power to do anything to Trump, or for that matter Bush and Obama, is more an indication of its own impotence in the face of military and economic power, and judging from the actions of the US, Russia, and China of late, I'm afraid we may be moving towards a new era of would-be conquerors.
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When it comes to China, it is still a pretty sore issue on the shit the Eight Nation Alliance has pulled on the country, and how most of the War criminals in the Chinese front during WWII were let off scot-free thanks to the Iron Curtain. Just look at the British Museum and the loot in it. Then when the West realize their once victim are gaining momentum and power, they decide to highlight the country's negative points only to rally public support to counter any possibility of retaliation. I mean the powers the US has to detain any possible terrorist is very powerful, and they can get away with whatever shit they pull using that excuse. To us, it is just the same.
That's kind of my point XD
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Yeah. In the past things were pretty civil since countries know shit will happen if they don't keep it that way, but Bunker Boy tore down everything within 4 years, be it domestically or internationally.
Oh it wasn't just him. Putin had fun in both Georgia and Ukraine, and China's been busy taking over foreign waters with manufactured islands. Trump is just also being a lawless dick to the international community.
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Pretty much, yeah
We should have taken the South out behind the woodshed to beat some sense into them. The Germans did it right when they went on an intense De-Nazification campaign after WW2.
Why do we have so many statues dedicated to losers and traitors? That's the real participation trophy.
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Actually, Germany had the opposite effect: everyone fears even "decent" right wingers now because they are afraid they are Nazis in disguise.
At least Spain did kind of well in that, despite being a similar warzone, the right never "died" so to speak, though whenever someone mentions something vaguely right wing, the socialists think every person who isn't on their side is a monster.
I feel that, for better or for worse, Britain handled it best by separating the left and right from the establishment, to the point where the last election gave BoJo a mandate not because Tories are good, but because every voter in the Midlands wanted Brexit yes or yes, and if the left they liked wouldn't afford it, then they'd go Tory for one term and send a FU to the Labour establishment.
Also, the South kind of got to get away with compromises or they would've tried again. They always had this kind of "over our dead body" mentality. Lincoln wasn't willing to go as far for a reason.
Like this should've been a process started after WWII, but they never thought about it because Red Scare/communism/muh freedom.
No such thing as a decent right winger and Lincoln gets no points for doing half the job
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