View Poll Results: Will Trump be impeached? If so, when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seika View Post
    Oh good, biotruths.

    For the first paragraph, my arse that, if you clearly publish the broad physical requirements, you'll get five hundred failing candidates for each pass. There is an absolute requirement: an average woman being weaker than the average man has no bearing on the number of failures. This is, rather, a matter of being intelligent enough to do your bloody research and honest enough with yourself to realise whether you can attain the proper standards or not. And I believe that women both tend to score higher on IQ tests and lower on measurements of inflated self-esteem. From that, I could just as well suggest that the female drop-out rate would in fact be lower if you're insistent on biological determinism.
    Army recruitment has introduced the OPAT, which is an attempt at more rigorous physical selection before initial enlistment. The requirements for an aspiring infantry recruit top out at a deadlift of 220 lbs, which can be understood as a soft bar against the majority of untrained individuals, both male and female.

    Suffice to say that on the question of temperament, I find myself unwilling to have an opinion, other than that Mattis has been to war, and also lived a long while, and I have not.

    The middle paragraph is utterly irrelevant when we've acknowledged that sexual dimorphism exists and that women can pass the standards anyway, because you don't have to be an international-level athlete to serve in the infantry. (I also note that the Williamses at 16 and 17 were hardly yet among 'the best tennis players of all time', while the top three male players right now are 30, 29, and 31, so Braasch's age was clearly less than an impediment; the entire example is not only irrelevant but also dishonest).
    The distinction applies because combat roles have the highest physical standards associated. These are standards that most men do not meet, for whatever combination of reasons. Let's not discount effort here, but even after training it's easier for a male to reach that standard than a female, and thus you have an exceptionally small fraction of females who can perform at that physical standard on par with an average male (In the infantry.)

    In fact, what this question has revealed is that some infantry units are bogged down with male soldiers who don't meet the standard. Failure to perform makes life difficult for the other soldiers in the unit, who now get to carry an 80 pound bag of gear and in the worst case, a downed soldier.

    Take in injury rate, bone and muscle density, and general bone structure, and that means the ideal female candidate is one who has all the physical traits of a male. And yeah, there are those who can blow 99% of males out of the water, somewhere, but that is quite exceptionally rare.

    Finally, if you don't like people who pass your standards serving, then raise your standards. Don't whine about the fact that they've gone and done it; it's your fault, not theirs. And if you don't think the statement "Women deserve equal treatment to men" is worth making, then you can go fuck yourself.
    Standards have been artificially lowered in many cases, which is the prevailing issue. Anecdotes from the army's ranger school state that female candidates received assistance, had rucksacks carried, etc. Political pressure on the military to achieve gender equality produced that problem.

    That's the central issue. Not that the .001% of top female performers isn't getting to go out and play shooty, but that unrealistic political goals demand integration beyond reasonable limits, and I see our stances on that former issue already align.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    It also takes a specific topic of debate and conflates it with a much more inflammatory one. (Whether you think women should serve in close combat, with men and women being treated equal.)
    These are the same topic

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    I no more meant Frosty by 'you' there than I did when telling 'you' to raise 'your' military testing standards. Unless Frosty actually is in charge of that in the Pentagon.

    And, to be frank, I would stand by that in context anyway. As a stand-alone post, it might be called simple provocation; at the conclusion of a post in which I have deigned to engage with that intellectually dishonest pile and seriously debated it, people have said far worse over far more trivial things in this thread. It's been nigh on a century since the Nineteenth Amendment: by now, you'd think my sentence would not be controversial. If anything is provocation here, I submit that a quote suggesting treating women equally isn't worth considering because it's only a "political statement" counts.

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    Attempting to hold you underwater to shore up the (backward) political position you are combatting is itself sub-standard, yes?

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    This thread is a total disaster I blame i3uster for starting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I3uster View Post
    For some reason we don't have a general news thread, just weird news. Post news and get angry at other people having different opinions.
    I'd don't think he literally meant "get angry at each other". But he can speak for himself.
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    Final clarification:

    "We selected our best women for this test unit, selected our most mature female leaders as well. The men (me included) were the most progressive and open minded that you could get. The commander of this unit was a seasoned and successful infantryman. The XO of this unit was as good as they get, so good the USMC made her the CO of the Officer Candidate School. I just selected the SgtMaj of the unit to head up our senior enlisted academy at Camp Lejeune, NC. No one went in to this with the mentality that we did not want this to succeed. No Marine, regardless of gender would do that.
    With our limited manpower we cannot afford to not train everyone to the best of their abilities. This was as stacked as a unit could get with the best Marines to give it a 100 percent success rate as we possibly could. End result? The best women in The GCEITF as a group in regard to infantry operations were equal or below in most all cases to the lowest 5 percent of men as a group in this test study. They are slower on all accounts in almost every technical and tactical aspect and physically weaker in every aspect across the range of military operations."

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    Dear Leader deems that the United States' only issue with radicalism is from Muslims
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15G5VO

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    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/politi...anti-semitism/

    I can only assume someone locked Bannon in a broom closet for the duration of this statement
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    Trump was later quoted as saying "My daughter and Jarrod seem especially concerned about all this, not sure why, haven't really had the time to ask between resort trips and failed court cases, oh well!"

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    ^^They told him he had to pen a few more executive orders he needed to write, and then shut him in a room with a writing desk and an old fashioned quill with ink pot.

    dude is in heaven, and trump is doing all that golfing to improve strength in his rubber stamp'n hand

    sure glad we elected an outsider whose unique viewpoint on American government wouldn't be obscured by those selfish Washington insiders
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    I'm fully aware that talk is cheap, thank you.
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    Ok Frosty, it's a tie.
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    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    lol Le Penn got raided by the cops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whis View Post
    lol Le Penn got raided by the cops
    Wasn't that yesterday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiKeo View Post


    Ok Frosty, it's a tie.
    Ah, the Nixon exit.

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    The nixit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostyvale View Post
    Ah, the Nixon exit.
    But you know what the difference was, right.
    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiKeo View Post
    But you know what the difference was, right.
    Repeat after me kids.

    Nixon did nothing wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostyvale View Post
    Repeat after me kids.

    Nixon did nothing wrong.
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