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    it's the same thing as racism. when someone says something racist, it doesn't physically hurt anyone, but simple microagressions that cause trauma.
    While I can understand both sides of the equation when it comes to the rather blurry issue of fictional children (or adult fictional people who happen to look like children), I'd like to point out that this very type of reasoning also as used once to demonize violence in pop culture because 'while not phsyical violence, it still causes trauma'. This was, of course, before we collectively decided that actually, fictional violence was okay after all, it's just fictional sexuality that is wrong unless it conforms to the tendency we are trying to support at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    I don't know why I came back to this thread, but I was informed just last week that as per obscenity laws lolicon is absolutely illegal in federal terms. California, I think it was, has precedent against it, but I wouldn't bet my continuing freedom and existence as not-a-pariah-of-society on that if I were you.

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    Again, not child porn laws of the federal government. Obscenity is subjective and vary by state. Also, you just jumped from "criminal" to "pariah". Not offending the law is one thing, but frankly, I don't give a shit about the putrid nagging of the witch-burning rabble. Blazes with them. Actual child porn requires actual children and actual porn. Fictional loli does not have the first. Being a "minor" requires being under 18. Judging by appearance alone for this purpose is utter nonsense. Again, you posted that, and I'll just post this again:


    https://forum.prostasia.org/t/is-lol...l-in-the-us/63 The concise answer is that lolicon is legal if it is (a) not visually indistinguishable from a real minor (which means things like deep fakes and possibly very realistic 3DCG are questionable) and (b) is not obscene under state obscenity law. But “obscene” has a loose definition and that is where differences of opinion can come in.

    You seem to neglect that the US has something called the First Amendment. In other words, it's only illegal if it's passed off as the real thing. Not to mention that Jast USA has quite a few loli works. Also: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs...c.php?t=580487 For example, California law actually allows obscene materials, though only to be sold to 18+, and explicitly exempts "drawings, figurines, statues, or any film rated by the Motion Picture Association of America" from any child porn charges (ca code 311.11).

    The federal law in question (1466a) part of which that banned specific speech or visual depictions was struck down, now entirely relies on the legal definition of obscenity--which itself relies on a process that cannot determine that fact by itself (i.e. cannot judge something inherently so or anything beforehand)--and uses interstate commerce. Thing is, all porn can be subjected to the same treatment since legal obscenity is classed as "unprotected" speech (not banned or illegal, just not immune from prosecution) It doesn't make it illegal though even if you're the unlucky bastard who gets charged (where for the same material, someone else can get away with it--a CA court or DA may and has dropped such charges), which is why most except the most zealous prosecutors/LEO go after it.

    When it comes to 1466A specifically, there are two parts of the law you should be aware are explicitly unconstitutional, even if they have not yet been removed. 1466A(a)(2) and 1466A(b)(2) go beyonds the bounds of obscenity, and as such were the parts of the law deemed unconstitutional in United States v. Handley, as well as in several other cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley

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    While I can understand both sides of the equation when it comes to the rather blurry issue of fictional children (or adult fictional people who happen to look like children), I'd like to point out that this very type of reasoning also as used once to demonize violence in pop culture because 'while not phsyical violence, it still causes trauma'. This was, of course, before we collectively decided that actually, fictional violence was okay after all, it's just fictional sexuality that is wrong unless it conforms to the tendency we are trying to support at the time.
    Making "making people mildly uncomfortable" a crime is literally charging a crime for looking at people funny.

    Now for something completely different:

    I feel like this is less about white people and black people and more about winners and losers (though, I suppose you could also call it master morality vs. slave morality, or even those with talent vs. imbeciles, I guess). Of course, if you can't manage things, like time, money, people, etc. you'll find yourself in a less than fortunate situation. The Sima family is all about purging imbeciles, and they're Asian (they also won their respective war):
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    I think all will sing a different tune when YOU are labeled as imbecile and can be abused and purged.

    Also, stop justifying your sexual preference already. Everyone here knows, and nobody cares unless you go rape real life children.

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    I care, but there's not much I can do about it so I just try to ignore it mostly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalLoliLover View Post
    Again, not child porn laws of the federal government. Obscenity is subjective and vary by state. Also, you just jumped from "criminal" to "pariah". Not offending the law is one thing, but frankly, I don't give a shit about the putrid nagging of the witch-burning rabble. Blazes with them. Actual child porn requires actual children and actual porn. Fictional loli does not have the first. Being a "minor" requires being under 18. Judging by appearance alone for this purpose is utter nonsense. Again, you posted that, and I'll just post this again:


    https://forum.prostasia.org/t/is-lol...l-in-the-us/63 The concise answer is that lolicon is legal if it is (a) not visually indistinguishable from a real minor (which means things like deep fakes and possibly very realistic 3DCG are questionable) and (b) is not obscene under state obscenity law. But “obscene” has a loose definition and that is where differences of opinion can come in.

    You seem to neglect that the US has something called the First Amendment. In other words, it's only illegal if it's passed off as the real thing. Not to mention that Jast USA has quite a few loli works. Also: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs...c.php?t=580487 For example, California law actually allows obscene materials, though only to be sold to 18+, and explicitly exempts "drawings, figurines, statues, or any film rated by the Motion Picture Association of America" from any child porn charges (ca code 311.11).

    The federal law in question (1466a) part of which that banned specific speech or visual depictions was struck down, now entirely relies on the legal definition of obscenity--which itself relies on a process that cannot determine that fact by itself (i.e. cannot judge something inherently so or anything beforehand)--and uses interstate commerce. Thing is, all porn can be subjected to the same treatment since legal obscenity is classed as "unprotected" speech (not banned or illegal, just not immune from prosecution) It doesn't make it illegal though even if you're the unlucky bastard who gets charged (where for the same material, someone else can get away with it--a CA court or DA may and has dropped such charges), which is why most except the most zealous prosecutors/LEO go after it.

    When it comes to 1466A specifically, there are two parts of the law you should be aware are explicitly unconstitutional, even if they have not yet been removed. 1466A(a)(2) and 1466A(b)(2) go beyonds the bounds of obscenity, and as such were the parts of the law deemed unconstitutional in United States v. Handley, as well as in several other cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley


    Making "making people mildly uncomfortable" a crime is literally charging a crime for looking at people funny.

    Now for something completely different:

    I feel like this is less about white people and black people and more about winners and losers (though, I suppose you could also call it master morality vs. slave morality, or even those with talent vs. imbeciles, I guess). Of course, if you can't manage things, like time, money, people, etc. you'll find yourself in a less than fortunate situation. The Sima family is all about purging imbeciles, and they're Asian (they also won their respective war):
    No, I said criminal AND pariah. Registered sex offenders tend to get both.
    I'm not a lawyer so I can't tell you what would or wouldn't be considered unconstitutional or whatnot, but I can tell you something like Oni Chichi would definitely fail both the Miller Test and the much lower bar obscenity against minors test, and that as written the law says you face a prison sentence for possession of it on your hard drive. Act on that as you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rxrx View Post
    I think all will sing a different tune when YOU are labeled as imbecile and can be abused and purged.
    All people who have had the power to conquer the world have tried at least once. This is mostly Asians and Europeans. The reason that Africans never tried is because of a cultural thing, not a racial thing. Given that that text is trying to justify being late, clearly, it's not a culture that fosters mastery, power, or talent.
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    No, I said criminal AND pariah. Registered sex offenders tend to get both.
    I'm not a lawyer so I can't tell you what would or wouldn't be considered unconstitutional or whatnot, but I can tell you something like Oni Chichi would definitely fail both the Miller Test and the much lower bar obscenity against minors test, and that as written the law says you face a prison sentence for possession of it on your hard drive. Act on that as you will.
    Again, obscenity is not a sex offense. Minors being the operation word. One cannot judge minors based on appearance, lest I remind you of Lupe Fuentes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupe_Fuentes Also:

    Fictional characters have no legal birthdays and thus no legal ages. Again, states that have obscenity laws can apply them to all obscenities, so unless all you like is vanilla stuff, you're just as liable. Jast USA is obviously a US-based company, and I think that Manga Gamer is, as well.
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    Africans purged each other. Humans purged those that doesn't fit into their line of thought. What matters is do you have the power to do it or not.

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    Every conversation I read with you in it makes me want to scrub my brain out afterwards

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    Not you, rxrx
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    I'm not talking about systematic mandate. I'm more talking about how culture affects success. Cultures that value management, whether it be time or other resources, tend to do better than those that don't. Those that are successful should feel no shame about their success and should not bend over for cultures that have less... successful values.
    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Every conversation I read with you in it makes me want to scrub my brain out afterwards
    Is that something that I should care about?
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    This thread, yet again, is going stupid places. Mods are debating action: in the mean time, please back down from each other, and drop the twin painful topics of whether an entire continent and all its peoples - throughout their millennia of history - can be easily put in a box and forgotten about, and how legal or not it may be to get off to drawings that look like kids.
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    I apologize, if it can be misinterpreted that I was talking about the people. Rather, I was talking about that book/article/text talking about the people.
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    Remember when I said that despite not shutting up about Japanese war crimes, Chinese people in China still proudly suck Kublai Khan's cock? Well, literally, this:

    Like I said, only war crime is losing.
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    I refuse, tankie. Or perhaps, this is more appropriate for you:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seika View Post
    This thread, yet again, is going stupid places. Mods are debating action: in the mean time, please back down from each other, and drop the twin painful topics of whether an entire continent and all its peoples - throughout their millennia of history - can be easily put in a box and forgotten about, and how legal or not it may be to get off to drawings that look like kids.
    Ah, the topics that will never go away no matter how much we try to push them away, or perhaps two of the many ones that will stay because we refuse to settle them over once and for all, actually.

    I mean, settle them in a global society way, mind. Here in this board, yeah, I guess nothing will ever be truly settled on those topics anyway, so, um, carry on, I guess.

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    I mean, I was just making an observation on the minutiae of law. Didn't have anything to add either way.
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    Given that all the characters on your avatars might count as "underage", I strongly suggest not sharpening a sword that may one day be aimed at you.
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    No, I said criminal AND pariah. Registered sex offenders tend to get both.
    I'm not a lawyer so I can't tell you what would or wouldn't be considered unconstitutional or whatnot, but I can tell you something like Oni Chichi would definitely fail both the Miller Test and the much lower bar obscenity against minors test, and that as written the law says you face a prison sentence for possession of it on your hard drive. Act on that as you will.
    Which is why the Miller Test is pretty retarded and so is obscenity laws for fictional work:

    It assumes that art needed obvious meaning or apparent value to be art. See the Fountain (Duchamp).

    It assumes there is an "average American" with perfect "common sense" to base the test upon.


    Basically, if you ever got sued for loli or shota content, it would depend on rather your judge and jury are mostly filled with weebs

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    Just to confirm, this is the same France where people lived "Loathsome Lives": https://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/craft...ssence=307#nav and decapitated sparkly princesses https://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/serva...hp?servant=029 calling them tyrants, right? Apparently, these same people seem to have no issue licking the communist boots of actual, rotten tyrants: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...ts_captain.png
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