Let's just say that one of the reasons why we're in this situation in the first place has to do with a lot of old people in positions of power who are more concerned with their own profits and doing everything they can to stay in power than they are with doing what's right or necessary to serve the greater good.Originally Posted by rxrx
And by "this situation," I don't just mean the pandemic...
In other news, how about...
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[16:43] <Twelveseal> Phallus in wonderland sounds like some bad loli-rape KC fanfic
[16:43] <@Sei> THAT'S what i wanna see
If biden lost, would that push democrats further left or right?
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Depends on who votes, one imagines.
Call me pessimistic, but I bet Americans in the end will vote for Trump anyway. His approval is raising after he played the racial card despite his lousy attempt at combating the virus, and there are proofs around how he is fucking with rescue efforts.
Can never understand why people love this bigot. Must be the same reason why people cannot understand why the CCP is still in power.
Eh. It’s true his approval rating has gone up but he still is losing to Biden in the polls you know. It’s not unusual for people to rally around the flag during a crisis but we have reached a point where the head to head match up is more pertinent. That said, as I noted a few days ago, anyone who says they can definitively call the election right now is lying to you or themselves.
True. In times like this, I hope people make the right choice. That dude is a disaster.
I wouldn't say Trump is guaranteed to win, but I do think he's pretty likely to win, mainly because American presidents rarely lose reelections.
Thinking of Carter and Bush Sr.
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[16:43] <Twelveseal> Phallus in wonderland sounds like some bad loli-rape KC fanfic
[16:43] <@Sei> THAT'S what i wanna see
Says Tobias without linking any of the evidence that would support his assertion that these are frivolous charges. Don't get me wrong, her story has changed over time as you said, starting with something vague as described here and culminating in what you previously described, as detailed here.
That still doesn't address what Biden literally said in the Senate with regards to his stance on these sorts of issues
What's unusual about this case is expanded upon in the last article I linked, quoting the relevant part.
Last year, after she first accused Biden of inappropriate touching, Reade was accused of being politically motivated and called a Russian operative after a Medium post in which she praised Russia and its president Vladimir Putin resurfaced.
As the 2020 campaign for president continued, Reade had a change of heart about remaining silent, according to the Intercept. In January, she approached Time’s Up, the anti-sexual violence organization established in the wake of the Me Too movement, to help her. The Intercept reports that by February, Time’s Up told her they could not help because Biden was a candidate for federal office, and if they assisted her they could lose the organization’s nonprofit status.
"Our decision on whether or not to provide certain types of support to an individual should not be interpreted as our validation or doubt of the truthfulness of the person’s statements,” a spokeswoman for Time’s Up told the Intercept of their decision to not assist Reade. “Regardless, our support of workers who come forward regarding workplace sexual harassment remains unwavering."
If the allegation is frivolous, it's in Biden's interest to explicitly deny it, not completely ignore it because mainstream media isn't talking about it. Otherwise, just like with Biden's son and Biden's brothers, the DNC is doing everything it can to not get ahead of these potentially damning cases, pretty much giving Trump free reign to do whatever they want smear-wise.
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see that's one of the things that makes this a tabloidesc bit of theater. There are three factors that make this not credible, and I covered them already but what the hell I will go over it again. factor one is mechanical. She states that in broad day light, in the heavily trafficked halls of congress in full view of God and country, biden digitally penetrated her, was rebuffed, and then shouted after her, yet has no witness to such. Somehow Biden is a psychic ninja vampire finger banger who can apparently engender such a move. Secondly, she has repeatedly changed her story in ways that lack internal consistency. Notably, she states that she is now coming forward as Biden is a figure of national relevance. Which is odd seeing as how she felt no need to do so when he was made Vice president and thus a heartbeat away from the presidency. Finally when asked why she was using a play right out of Putin's book, by way of inventing a salacious allegation that cant be explicitly disproved, she refused to respond to her previous statements about being a huge fan of Putin and wishing Americans would learn from his greatness. Instead stating "its not about me, its about Biden." Essentially asking him to somehow refute allegations that by definition cannot be.
He is doing the smart thing. Leave tabloidesc accusations to the tabloids. She refuses to account for herself has lied or concealed information apparently to her own benefit and offers no substantiation for her claims.
As I said, you take allegations of rape seriously. Dont assume guilt, dont assume innocence. Look at the information provided. However in some cases the appropriate response is to look someone in the eye and say "you are talking out of your ass."
So basically you want to ignore anything that could be damaging to Biden's reputation because the claim isn't worth looking into. Guess we can look forward to BUT HER EMAILS 2.0 then.
Hilary also beat Trump in the polls, by millions of people in the end. Raw numbers are only really valid when it's a huge blowout. Especially with the terrible way the electoral collage is set up.
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there is no way to conclusively refute these kinds of things so you just deny it and move on, which is what Biden did. when it happened to me I got lucky. She didnt know about the hospital security feed. For those who dont have something so insanely convenient, like I said, you make your statement, accept that serious people wont take it seriously, and foolish people will take it foolishly, and go on. Its literally all you can do, thats why Putin loves to use the tactic, I might add.
But just because someone shows up with a backwards B carved into their cheek doesnt mean you have to help them spread the scam by endlessly parroting it and asking "WHY HASN'T HE CONCLUSIVELY REFUTED IT?! when you know as well as I do the entire point is he cant.
No, that's not what I'm saying at all Tobias. I'm not saying that Biden needs a Devil's Proof here, I'm saying that Biden needs to actually address this in a public enough manner so that Trump won't be able to weaponize it against him in the general election. Don't address it only through surrogates or campaign staff members, as mentioned in an update to this article, Biden needs to come out and directly say whether the allegations are true or not.
As for your earlier description of the events, that this happened in plain view on Capitol Hill, that doesn't support any of the descriptions I've read or heard about it. The video I linked said a semi-private location, this says its in his office.
Edit: I see that in an earlier post I said disprove it, not deny it. So yeah, I did push the idea of a Devil's Proof there. I'll correct my previous post.
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It’s hard to see how you aren’t asking for him to prove the negative when the article you say that Biden needs to refute these allegations is titled “Biden campaigns refutes sexual assault allegations.” Thats what you do when someone accuses you of something that can’t be disproved.
trump is going to weaponize it. That’s how this will play out. Biden is going to be the nominee and trump is going to use this repeatedly as a cudgel. Is that annoying? Sure, but that’s what trump will do. And not because Biden didn’t “refute it directly” or whatever you choose to call it but because Trump is a dishonest man who will happily use a dishonest report to his own benefit.
trump will bring it up in the debate. He will cut ads he will attempt to get Bernie sanders supporters to support him, stay home or vote third party using allegations that can’t be disproven. That’s just how this will play out. Same as he would have done to any opponent. The onus on the side of people that don’t want trump to have a second term is to not allow ourselves to be so easily mentally defeated as we were in 2016.
thats politics. There was swift boat in ‘04. Black panthers in ‘08. Obama death panels in ‘12 and her emails in ‘16. There is going to be something consistently nonsensical, salacious, and straight up bull shit in 2020and this is probably it, or will be a part of it. By the way, there would have been one for sanders too.
quite frankly I count it a mild blessing that all the RNC has managed right now is a girl who cried rape with so little cooberation that media networks worth their salt aren’t carrying the story.
I’m aware there are a few tin foil hat wearing ‘bros sho convince themselves that Bernie lost because of some grand conspiracy of the Illuminati, the free masons, and the no homers club to manipulate the media but one thing I find about news organizations is they chase money. They will print whatever gets them clicks. There isn’t some grand canal, it’s just a bunch of people who really like money. And when they don’t print a story, it’s not because of a shady deal, it’s because the money collected from a few days of running the story isn’t enough to pay for a retraction.
Also the nasty thing about unprovable accusations is that it doesn't matter if you deny it or not.
If you say nothing you're silence is taken as guilt. If you deny it your obviously guilty because otherwise why go out of your way to deny it. It's catch 22.
Well put. That’s why i can’t fault Biden’s response because he did exactly what I would do.
you release a statement that says “everyone allegation deserves to be heard on the merits of their claim, and it’s clear that this claim is without merit.” You don’t give air time and oxygen to the tabloids. You say no once and then go about your business. It’s the one and only response you or anyone else can make.
There's a difference between someone directly addressing an issue their involved with and handing off that responsibility to someone else. It's not like Biden directly coming out and denying the claims is any more difficult for Biden to do than to have others answer on his behalf.
Sure would help if Biden stopped giving Trump so much ammunition against himself: this, Hunter, his brother, his multiple lies in debates, his out-of-context support for Trump's re-election, his incredibly poor performances in the latest live interviews on friendly networks (twitter below). But nah, keep spinning it as him struggling with a stutter or some other reason.trump is going to weaponize it. That’s how this will play out. Biden is going to be the nominee and trump is going to use this repeatedly as a cudgel. Is that annoying? Sure, but that’s what trump will do. And not because Biden didn’t “refute it directly” or whatever you choose to call it but because Trump is a dishonest man who will happily use a dishonest report to his own benefit.
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the koch brothers, murdoch, and bob murray, who after watching the clip for about 10 minutes or so (wasnt all bad, oliver is good for a laugh) on fox business.
soooo...fox, fox and fox then?
righto. Damn that illuminati. And you know the stone cutters are right now singing "who keeps atlantis off the map, who keeps biden's rape under wraps, we do, we doooooooooo!"
Joe Biden did a sex on me.
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