General News Thread

[Twelveseal]

Well, the ending where humanity embraces "true communism" under the "guidance" of a loli goddess wasn't considered a good end. Not the bad end, mind you, but not good either.

Having not played it, Idk. That said, theoretically the only function of a deity in that capacity would be as a vehicle for the reformation of humanity into something that was fully compatible with the model. After all, it seeks a form of utopia where any form of governance is absent, but nevertheless the population works collaboratively for the greater good of the species and the betterment of all. The presence of a ruling deity is out of place. Likewise, I don't know what this looked like in the context of the game, so... yeah... can't say.

MB's ending sounds more like Christian heaven on a superficial level.

Also, lol Spoony. My bad.

[AsGryffynn]

I always find that the argument against affirmative action tends to come from bad faith for a few reasons. One, it assumes that minorities unilaterally get advantages in it (which isn't true, as even if you did pass children through schooling with a handicap, higher education doesn't guarantee you a good job, so it can be seen more as an excuse that if they fail with that "handicap" then they were worthless anyway, which would help the argument for racists saying minorities are intrinsically less intelligent and capable in areas of mental acuity than whites). Of course, I remember having similiar conversations with a guy at work who was making jokes about affirmative action at work in the direction of myself and a black colleague (who he somehow considers a friend, heh), but he was a MAGAchud so I wasn't really surprised. The irony was that he was a former military dude who before working there was working at a warehouse/GameStop and somehow, someway, got into the same department as his mother going through a temp agency.

And two, if the argument then becomes about how unfair it would be to poor whites, than fine, how about actually fighting harder for better on the job training, better wages, better representation, and more robust public education so that ALL may benefit? That in turn helps whites and minorities. Its just bad form to say one policy is unfair without really disseminating if that policy gives people the advantage you think it does. Seems more like a way for the poor/middle class to wasting time biting at each others ankles while the rich get richer, while we argue if a policy that ultimately ends up being an excuse for whites to discriminate against minorities is good or not. If you have that much time to.do that, its better served trying to help against the issues for why both sides of that fence end up being screwed despite those policies being in place.

Also, I think Trump has made multiple memories during covid that stand out and are indicative of the rest of his president years, and one thing that stands out is that roundtable of CEOs around April basically taking turns slurping his knob for stimulus. Basically another example of him taking taxpayer money and upfrontly giving a fuck you to everyone, including his supporters. That he is now grifting for help in so called cases for voter fraud, wherein it then states that a large portion is going to campaign debts is the icing on the shit cake. One last grift on the way out.

I foresee no problem with this approach. Improvements in the quality of public services are always welcome and actively encouraged. Don't need affirmative action when a college has enough places for all the applicants on the roll after all. On the other hand, Trump's usage of stimulus is neither surprising nor new. Companies did exactly the same shit in 2008 and I still remember how in Spain Iberdrola execs essentially had a permanent delegation at La Moncloa for that very reason.

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trump tho

But Bush yo...

I don't hate the sinner. I hate the sin.

TBH, both Donald Trump and Joe Biden will still be improvements over Dubya, so I can find some solace in that, even if Biden means the US has more time to find new Dubya candidates.

[LegalLoliLover]

What's next? Forcing the people on that "list" to wear orange badges? Note that that list includes, or at least aims to include, people who did nothing more than "elect Trump" AKA exercise their democratic right.

Plunder in this case would be looting the resources of an enemy force, their supporters, or more generally taking what's needed to provide for the troops or maintain morale.

Oh, and about that nationalism point, that depends. For example, from what I know, both Taiwan and Japan are more accepting legally of loli than the US. If this is the case, I wouldn't mind favoring those countries, even if it costs the US something. Again, I'm pro-"whatever nation has the most personal liberties, at least in regards to my likes", so the list in my mind of countries to favor have the ones with those personal liberties on top. It just so happens that the US has more personal liberties than China, or Australia, or the UK, etc.

What's disgusting is how many Americans are supporting that list the commie filth made... You know what? In terms of those people, if they really think that commie China is so much better than the US, then they should be treated exactly how they would be had they lived there. I hope their organs are fresh. Hong Kong is exactly why I consider imperialism/colonialism as a morally neutral "skill" (my comparison of the Empire vs. the Dominion in Elder Scrolls). British "imperialism" was the only thing keeping democracy alive in Hong Kong, until they were shamed away by commie China and its international spies.

[Mattias]

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You really should do those things, though except maybe the one about intervening in human rights violations. I mean it's really, really funny that it's China saying all these things,without a hint of irony or self reflection (Hi Uyghurs!), but they are still bad things you should stop. Just because it comes from a source you don't like isn't a reason to ignore it. If Hitler told you not to eat rat poison, you'd listen to him despite his stupid mustache.

[LegalLoliLover]

China shamed Britain into pulling out of Hong Kong and then moved right in. Before the ChiCom Dominion, Hong Kong has access to Google and other things that the rest of the world had. No longer should any country be shamed into defeat by commie China. When the commie filth piss me off particularly, I feel like this guy:

But the rest of the time I just feel like this guy: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Legate_Fasendil Never once did I deny "American imperialism", but I consider it a necessity to hold back the ChiCom Dominion.

You tend to side with the "Haves" over the "Have-Nots," within a given system.

There's also a matter of... agency. For example, when I was working a previous site (same company, but different location), the company didn't want to spend money to give us parking spaces in that area's parking lot, so we had to park down the street and then across another street at some hotel lot (thankfully, for free). Regardless, there was a lot of walking. One time a street beggar asked for money, and I gave him $5. Now, hypothetically, had it been a mugger, there would obviously have been a scuffle. Let's also assume that I had won the scuffle. Unable to take my money by force, if such a mugger tried to appeal to my sense of pity afterwards with some sob story about his starving family, I would have been much less polite to him than to the beggar who asked nicely. That's why I cannot forgive rioters and looters who, after being arrested or confronted, moan some sob story.

[aldeayeah]

I vouch for a technocratic oligarchy in which the oligarchy only consists of superintelligent AGIs instituting full automation Marxism. In the far future, Marx will get the last laugh.

It's all fine and dandy until the cullings start.

[Twelveseal]

Oh, and about that nationalism point, that depends. For example, from what I know, both Taiwan and Japan are more accepting legally of loli than the US. If this is the case, I wouldn't mind favoring those countries, even if it costs the US something. Again, I'm pro-"whatever nation has the most personal liberties, at least in regards to my likes", so the list in my mind of countries to favor have the ones with those personal liberties on top. It just so happens that the US has more personal liberties than China, or Australia, or the UK, etc.

So rather than favoring your own nation, you favor whichever most closely fits your ideals.

There's also a matter of... agency. For example, when I was working a previous site (same company, but different location), the company didn't want to spend money to give us parking spaces in that area's parking lot, so we had to park down the street and then across another street at some hotel lot (thankfully, for free). Regardless, there was a lot of walking. One time a street beggar asked for money, and I gave him $5. Now, hypothetically, had it been a mugger, there would obviously have been a scuffle. Let's also assume that I had won the scuffle. Unable to take my money by force, if such a mugger tried to appeal to my sense of pity afterwards with some sob story about his starving family, I would have been much less polite to him than to the beggar who asked nicely. That's why I cannot forgive rioters and looters who, after being arrested or confronted, moan some sob story.

Hmmm... makes me wonder how you feel about taxation, somewhat, since that's a method of taking without your direct agency in the decision.

[LegalLoliLover]

1) Yep. It just so happens that the country that I currently live in isn't too bad.
2) Yes, but this is under the assumption that the government uses some of that money to benefit people, including myself. Public services and so forth.

[Twelveseal]

So not an anti-taxer XD

[LegalLoliLover]

It's what happens to the tax revenue afterwards. Imagine carrying your trash all the way to the dump by yourself.

[Twelveseal]

I don't have to. I've done so.

[LegalLoliLover]

I had to do that when I made the mistake of putting lawn debris in a plastic bag, so neither garbage man "category" wanted to take it.

[Twelveseal]

Yeah, we don't have city service where I live, so it's either pay a company to do it or diy. And should the local recycling center be closed... time to drive it to the dump.

[OverMaster]

So rather than favoring your own nation, you favor whichever most closely fits your ideals.

I mean... is that, on a general principle, supposed to be wrong?

If you genuinely feel your nation is doing wrong then for all sakes go and denounce it, it's not like the US (or half of it anyway) haven't done just that concerning the Trump era and the other half of the country. Fair is fair.

We don't owe robotic loyalty to a chunk of ground just because we were born on it if we really feel assholes are wrongdoing in its name.

[Twelveseal]

XD not saying it's right or wrong. Just looking for understanding on his positions and values.

That said, I don't see it as a problem. Being able to criticize your government is a nice luxury to have.

[AsGryffynn]

So rather than favoring your own nation, you favor whichever most closely fits your ideals.

Every person with one iota of working neurons should do this. Blind loyalty to a group of dead people and a bunch of paraphernalia they made to stroke their own egos should never take precedence over good governance.

Case in point: I was born in Spain, lived there, decided it was turning to shit around 2-3 years ago and bolted. I'm no longer in said place. No one should be tied to a country whose policies change at the drop of a hat solely because you were born/raised there.

[asterism42]

I think the saddest thing is they didn't foresee this happening

[Altima of the Gates]

Well considering they are basically paying lawyers to walk into a courtroom and go "I got nothing", they don't seem to think things through.

[Twelveseal]

Not unless this really is just him grifting his followers or itan attempt to make it seem like even the courts are rigged against him. In spite of their heav6 Conservative skew.

[SpoonyViking]

Not unless this really is just him grifting his followers or itan attempt to make it seem like even the courts are rigged against him. In spite of their heav6 Conservative skew.

I'd say both, yes. Additionally, they're probably playing the long game: "Trumpism" is nothing more than a shit-stained new coat on something which has been percolating for a long time and doesn't really need the orange "messiah" to keep existing and being weaponised by the conservatives.