General News Thread

[Twelveseal]

Aka let's let the conservative court pick our president. Aka the electoral college is a bad idea; part 1.

I suppose, thinking about, Biden is basically the only real option available right now. The current administration has really hammered home the fact that voting is literally a matter of life and death both at home and abroad. I can't help but feel, flawed as he is and as little as he represents my values, he'll at least cause less suffering and death globally than another 4 years of Trump (especially since it'll be even harder to restrain him) would.

Unpleasant as it is, it's arguably the only responsible choice for the greater good.

[Pendant]

I don't vote for capitalists.

[Trubo]

The problem with voting for Biden is we already saw what a fully controlled Democratic legislature + President does, just look at 2008. In short, not all that much beyond Obamacare, or Obama's 100 days main plan. So, if we can only expect the 100 days thing to happen again, all we get is some slightly better social conditions. Don't get me wrong, those are better than nothing, but you're basically giving up on the economy again for another 4 years so that people of all races can be socially equal, if poor.

[mAc Chaos]

Ugh, I hate when that happens. My local riding was hard Conservative for almost a decade.

I can understand the sentiment, but I can never agree with it. One vote almost never matters, but there's probably a bunch of people who think that and just give up, when if they didn't they might actually get an outcome they enjoy. And I'd rather not have regrets in those cases where one vote does matter. Like 2000 Florida.

By that logic they shouldn't vote for Biden because it's not who they really want.

[Twelveseal]

K, so not going to try to be cute and hoping this link doesn't suck.

Scientists have found that parts of the world are becoming too hot and humid for humans to live there thanks to global warming. We knew this was coming, but it's happening sooner than expected.

So yay, here's a break in news from politics and pandemics. You may now return to your regularly scheduled

[asterism42]

[Altima of the Gates]

The problem with voting for Biden is we already saw what a fully controlled Democratic legislature + President does, just look at 2008. In short, not all that much beyond Obamacare, or Obama's 100 days main plan. So, if we can only expect the 100 days thing to happen again, all we get is some slightly better social conditions. Don't get me wrong, those are better than nothing, but you're basically giving up on the economy again for another 4 years so that people of all races can be socially equal, if poor.

Not saying you wouldn't be wrong that Biden would have policies that enable the more corrupt to flourish and stagnate what progress is being made, but what is your plan if not voting for him that actually has a solid goal, one that isn't hoping for things but has a tangible roadmap and goal.
And what would YOU do to make that happen, not just leave it to someone else, but what would YOU do to get that ball rolling.

[Trubo]

Currently watching what plays out with Ventura's bid to be Green Party candidate, cause someone with star power, even if I disagree with them, might be enough for a third party to get that meaningful 5% of total vote for federal funding in future elections.

Cause face it, Biden stands no chance in Texas unless hell on earth breaks loose.

[Tobias]

You are hoping he will be a real “ace” Ventura huh?

[Twelveseal]

Little Richard, the famed musician and Roy Horn, of Siegfried and Roy, have died.

[Mattias]

What about store's where you must return a cart to get back you're 1 dollar deposit?

[rxrx]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ronavirus.html

Tearing down the facade of championing humanitarianism. Cleansing the elderlies seems to be a norm now?

[AsGryffynn]

I am just hoping the situation in the US goes from bad to "unbearable" so the Democratic Party cannot stick their head in the sand anymore with the voters essentially forcing them to add socialism to the party platform and shoehorn AOC into the White House, as much as the conservatives might scream their heads off.

Thus my disposition towards Biden, which is still more along the lines of drowning my sorrows in alcohol and sighing for a whole night instead of "after this, how many rations should I stow in the bunker?" which was my response to Clinton winning.

[rxrx]

Let's be honest. Trump will win this thanks to voters having short term memory and a need to find someone to blame. With the help of the media, Trump can turn China into the perfect punching bag to stay in power, and there is little you can do to stop it.

[Altima of the Gates]

Currently watching what plays out with Ventura's bid to be Green Party candidate, cause someone with star power, even if I disagree with them, might be enough for a third party to get that meaningful 5% of total vote for federal funding in future elections.

Cause face it, Biden stands no chance in Texas unless hell on earth breaks loose.

Well in the near middle of May its snowing, so maybe it is. But Jesse Ventura? Hmm, I don't think he will at this juncture, plus with how hard right things are leaning, I wouldn't bet on that game plan.
Now if Austin was to do so, you juuuuust might have enough star power. Jesse has middling star power (and more importantly, political experience), so probably not enough to rouse who you'd think he would rouse.

[Trubo]

Well in the near middle of May its snowing, so maybe it is. But Jesse Ventura? Hmm, I don't think he will at this juncture, plus with how hard right things are leaning, I wouldn't bet on that game plan.
Now if Austin was to do so, you juuuuust might have enough star power. Jesse has middling star power (and more importantly, political experience), so probably not enough to rouse who you'd think he would rouse.

Seems like it's dead in the water anyway, as he's not going to be running because he doesn't want to lose his healthcare.

However, it appears that run will not take off. Ventura says if he runs, has to give up his job and healthcare and with impending health issue in June, he cannot.

"Unfortunately, I don’t see the logistics coming into play, time is an element," said Ventura. "The Green Party names their candidate in July, I truthfully couldn’t become available until mid to end of June, so therefore the system itself will stop me from pursuing as it is right now. I do urge people to get out and vote."

[Tobias]

Fun fact, Biden poll lead against el presidente is the steadiest on record going back a hundred years

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/10/polit...ing/index.html

this article was most informative but a similar WAPO article was more fun to read. It noted Trump has become shell shocked and frustrated because he believed he was in a glide path to reelection until his internal polls consistently showed him losing swing states.

I gather this happened in 2018 as well but he ignored the polls then thinking he couldn’t lose. The ensuing blood bath and the last two years of pelosi sticking her gavel in his eye have taught him a bit of reality, and he doesn’t know what to do about it.

[I3uster]

Real Talk, how many of you are actually willing to cut off your nose to spite your face? Biden's not great, but is four more of Trump really worth it?

This thread is full of examples of Biden not wishing to undo Republican policy. The real question is why keep hitting yourself in the face and tell yourself youre tending your wounds?

Is there any plan you have for things to get better that doesnt rely on people who clearly do not share your interests to change their minds, based only on your own hope that they will do so?

[AsGryffynn]

Fun fact, Biden poll lead against el presidente is the steadiest on record going back a hundred years

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/10/polit...ing/index.html

this article was most informative but a similar WAPO article was more fun to read. It noted Trump has become shell shocked and frustrated because he believed he was in a glide path to reelection until his internal polls consistently showed him losing swing states.

I gather this happened in 2018 as well but he ignored the polls then thinking he couldn’t lose. The ensuing blood bath and the last two years of pelosi sticking her gavel in his eye have taught him a bit of reality, and he doesn’t know what to do about it.

Gee, this truly looks familiar doesn't it?

Seriously though, I3uster is right. Even if you rue the day you have to admit it as a country, America cannot afford not five more years of Trump, but four more years of bullshit politics from an ossified political system. Last time someone ignored this, he was thrown out of his desk and office.

Then his country was thrown away as well and somehow you seem to believe doing the same and then blaming this country is going to turn out well. Boohoo, it will just end with the very wise ex-leader (who's somehow still alive) going "I told you so..."

[Twelveseal]

@I3uster: Not really, no. After all, at this point, every option screws us over in that manner. Toby's not wrong on the polling thing. Trump was able to buck the polls and win via the electoral college. It's what we're all still expecting to happen; he'll lose the popular vote (likely by a bigger margin) but win the college. However, Trump is polling something like 9% behind Biden nationally for a long time now. This has exactly nothing to do with Biden's performance, because he's generally been unimpressive.

Americans just by and large hate the President and intend to vote against him.

So, we can vote Biden and increase the chances of having a lesser evil, or split the vote in favor of write-ins or 3rd Party candidates with no name recognition right now, which makes another Trump win more likely. And with it, the continued approval of his actions, policies, and style.

We don't really have any sort of long-term plan beyond the a write-in; not voting tells the parties nothing because there's so many reasons why one wouldn't.