General News Thread

[Tobias]

Does anyone *really* believe Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine?

im more disbelieving then not (as that is my default with anything he says) but im not 100% ready to discard the possibility entirely

[Twelveseal]

Wonder why he's so hell-bent on selling that? I mean, it's basically snake oil at this point, since we don't know if it works or how well.

[aldeayeah]

weak

He should have claimed he was getting bleach injections

[I3uster]

Um, hers is not the only story. Like, there's things about how female members of the secret service weren't assigned to Biden cuz of his handsiness, and the men were told to keep their female friends and relations away from him.

just google "biden daily show grope"

let it melt in your mouth

this was behavior that in a pre-biden nominee world was deemed unacceptable to the point of open mockery

something that this race single handedly rolled back

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It's not even like principles are hard to find in American media discourse and political culture, it feels like they are strategically bred out by everybody behaving like a political party is a fucking football team that you keep supporting even when your star player faces credible accusations of sexual violence.

Once you eliminate even the idea of an alternative and villainize people that seek one I guess that's all that is left.

[RacingeR]

just google "biden daily show grope"

let it melt in your mouth

this was behavior that in a pre-biden nominee world was deemed unacceptable to the point of open mockery

something that this race single handedly rolled back

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It's not even like principles are hard to find in American media discourse and political culture, it feels like they are strategically bred out by everybody behaving like a political party is a fucking football team that you keep supporting even when your star player faces credible accusations of sexual violence.

Once you eliminate even the idea of an alternative and villainize people that seek one I guess that's all that is left.

Honestly, idk if I'd say this race rolled things back.

Or rather, seems to me that if you are put in a situation where your only two options for president boil down to Donald "Grab 'em by the pussy" Trump and Joe "I like when kids bounce on my lap" Biden, you probably end up defaulting to the lesser rapist.

Which really should be a massive indicator of the fact that something went very fucking wrong with the system, but at this point I've run out of things to say about USA's particular brand of "democracy".

[I3uster]

Which would be fine if you didn't see people literally backtrack on their positions in regards to this.

Like you can't really make a noose out of it for toby because as far as I know he's never been a Believe Women guy but if you get it from people that were doing personal PR cruises on #metoo aftershocks it's getting a bit disgusting.

[RacingeR]

Which would be fine if you didn't see people literally backtrack on their positions in regards to this.

Like you can't really make a noose out of it for toby because as far as I know he's never been a Believe Women guy but if you get it from people that were doing personal PR cruises on #metoo aftershocks it's getting a bit disgusting.

Honestly this was always a major concern for me regarding the mediatic explosion that came with #metoo. Politicians would say whatever got them brownie points with the general public, and walk back when convenient. Basically helping transform a legitimate movement into a trend.

There's also the issue of rape being an extremely complex matter to analyze from many points of view, especially legally. See, while I disagree with toby on many, many points, I don't think he really said anything wrong per se during the whole discussion. The problem of proof in these cases is one that I don't think anyone has found a way to handle yet, and I really don't have any ideas of how it could be resolved. What is clear is that you cannot just condemn someone based only on the word of someone else, which often ends up bottlenecking these types of cases.

However, the media machine didn't really help to explain or to show people the reality of the horrible situations many had experienced, instead moving towards over-simplification and a sort of distorted outlook at the issue. In the case of my country it basically moved straight into mediatic executions where often judgment had been issued by the media even before legal actions had gone anywhere. I'm not surprised at all that politicians are staging overt walkbacks, because a lot was done to convert #metoo into a trend. I think that, in general terms, exposure helped the cause ultimately, but this is quickly becoming a situation of two steps forwards and one back.

More relevant to the topic of the presidential race, I have to say that the more I get to know about Biden, the more disgusted I become by the current situation, and the more I am inclined to believe that something happened with Tara. I don't think his many bizarre behaviors and sexually aggressive attitude (if the many, many reports about it are to be believed) are indicative of a sane mind. Combined with his various episodes of incoherent babbling, he really gives me the feeling of having something wrong with his head, be it senility or be it something else. By this point the only advantage I see on him over Donald Trump is that he's less likely send the world into a nuclear holocaust. Not by being saner, but by having a wholly different kind of madness.

Again though, although it really fucks me up to say this, even if the rape actually happened, the situation that has been created in the US makes it so it is of little relevance. Which is just so fucking wrong, goddamn.

[Trubo]

Late response because I've been busy with other matters.

No it isn’t. The entire point of the article is that the only evidence that the alleged harassment occurred is she says it did. Nothing else. Which means you have to wonder wherever she is an honest woman, which it does not seem like she is.

Or, here's a hot take: Tara isn't wealthy or highly educated, like the people Biden and other elite Democratic members of the establishment like to rub shoulders with, so she's not worth supporting to the same degree as Dr. Ford. Also, the article is hilarious because it takes the statements of her landlords as gospel truth to squelch everything else, even though it does nothing to actually combat Tara's claims. As I said before, it's a character assassination piece.

The other “cooberating evidence” is nothing but hearsay. She told somebody else something happened, but they didn’t see it themselves.

And the point you keep missing is that this is still more than what Dr. Ford had, yet the people who catapulted their careers on the whole #MeToo thing turned a blind eye on Tara because it's politically inconvenient, offering the same excuses they berated Kavanaugh defenders for giving.

the amusing thing is before it was proven conclusively false the other girl who was lying actually had a much more solid allegation. She said something happened, she, like Tara had several people come forward to say that they had been told years past that Biden had harassed her, and unlike Tara the other girl actually had real evidence, a witness who came forward and said that she herself actual saw it happened.

now of course, we know all those people were lying.

Again with the "well if person A is lying about something person B did, then person C that says the same thing about person B as person A is also a liar" logic. Because if we're using that logic to dismiss Tara's claims, then we can't trust Biden's side of this because of all the numerous on-camera moments of him blatantly lying to the nation just from this year alone.

tara doesn’t even have an eye witness or anything. She just has an ever changing story and a noted predilection for taking advantage of people for trusting her when she says things. That’s the point of the article.

Well then, you should be more than happy if this is the case considering Tara is willing to be criminally charged for filing a false police report.

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In unrelated news, Texas looks to be doing something really fucking nice for once.

[rxrx]

What happens if Americans think both candidates suck ass and choose to abstain their vote?

[RacingeR]

What happens if Americans think both candidates suck ass and choose to abstain their vote?

You'd need literally every single voter possible to abstain. Which is not going to happen ever for various motives.

[Tobias]

What happens if Americans think both candidates suck ass and choose to abstain their vote?

if this is a literal question then I suppose biden wins his home state after he votes for himself, trump does the same, niether amass 270 votes and therefor the president is elected by the house of representatives

[Twelveseal]

I would assume whoever gets the most delegate votes of the people who do show up wins. In order to get a full no-show, you'd somehow have to have a scenario in which literally no one voted, particularly all of the party delegates and their potential replacements (because yes, there are backups if people refuse to vote or try to vote for someone they're not supposed to, as was seen duing 2016 when three Clinton delegates defected to Republicans in the vain hope of peeling Never-Trumper Republicans and forcing some kind of legal resolution over the winner like with Bush Jr.). The fewer voters you have, the less legitimate the winner looks, but that doesn't mean much since they still have the full official capacity of President afterwards.

[Laserman]

7 hour lines in key districts and media support

It's looking less and less that it was worth it.

[rxrx]

Hmm. I thought it works by percentage, as in if you do not have enough of votes per state and throughout the country, it would be considered void and you need to restart the process.

[Twelveseal]

I don't really know. It's never been an issue as far as I know. Even with Trump and Hillary, the two least popular candidates since they starting tracking popularity polls, turnout was still good.

Basically, Race is right; you're never going to see a scenario where no one votes.

[rxrx]

Hmm, so you don't really have a choice since you have to vote for whatever shit that parties support then?

[Twelveseal]

You have choices, but yes, one of the two parties are all-but-guaranteed victory. Those candidates aren't really chosen by the common citizens; they're picked by the party, donors, and media. All of which represent the wealthy elites of the country.

It's much the same over there, yes? The candidates are essentially chosen by the CCP leadership without much input from the common folk, they're pushed by the media and the wealthy elites that make up said leadership, and you get to vote for who they let you pick from, right?

[rxrx]

You have choices, but yes, one of the two parties are all-but-guaranteed victory. Those candidates aren't really chosen by the common citizens; they're picked by the party, donors, and media. All of which represent the wealthy elites of the country.

It's much the same over there, yes? The candidates are essentially chosen by the CCP leadership without much input from the common folk, they're pushed by the media and the wealthy elites that make up said leadership, and you get to vote for who they let you pick from, right?

Pretty much. But we are blasted with propaganda that the Western model is different and better for some reason.

Can you believe some Pro-western media actually wrote that the key to defeating COVID-19 is not with vaccine, quarantine and lockdown measures, but with freedom and democracy? Not surprising they are quiet now.

[Mattias]

if this is a literal question then I suppose biden wins his home state after he votes for himself, trump does the same, niether amass 270 votes and therefor the president is elected by the house of representatives

So President Pelosi?

[Imperial]

Fuck 'em both. I'm voting third party. Not one more sexual predator or war criminal gets my vote.

People think they should vote for Biden because he's "like Obama." Bitch, please! Obama was the lord of the drones.

I wanted Bernie, but even he was the compromise. He was the bare minimum I was willing to accept. I refuse to move any further right than that. Moving right to appease these mythical moderates is all the Dems have been doing lately, and it has dragged the entire country into a neocon hellhole with a raging incompetent and his legion of bootlickers in power.

America was a mistake.

Wonder why he's so hell-bent on selling that? I mean, it's basically snake oil at this point, since we don't know if it works or how well.

He can't admit he's ever been wrong about anything.