General News Thread

[fire_mountain_30]

Somewhat hilariously, I actually am from the Bible Belt, in a reliably Republican State. Trust me when I say this; it's not the Left you should have a problem with here, if those are your issues.

let me guess, your parents forced Christianity on you and you are mad at them.

the modern Right isnt the Right of even 10 years ago

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Also man I wish the left had a psychotic thirst for power.

are you saying you wish the Left just outright behaved like the National Socialists or something?

(well, they do, but the specifics of the methodology are a bit different)

[I3uster]

let me guess, your parents forced Christianity on you and you are mad at them.

the mordern Right isnt the Right of even 10 years ago

This is correct though. Ideological pretense has been mostly dropped, supposed christian values and even libertarian darwinism kind of subsided in the face of trumpism (you argue personal responsibility and that libertarian stuff but trump paid out checks to everyone which is as crass of a violation of libertarian deficit worshipping ethic as there can be)

All that is left is owning the libs

[Twelveseal]

let me guess, your parents forced Christianity on you and you are mad at them.

the modern Right isnt the Right of even 10 years ago

Man, you're bad at this, aren't you? Not even close. You're right about the Republicans being different, tho. The Conservative movement as a whole has steadily descended into madness, really starting with the 80's, but especially since Newt fucked the House and turned the Republican party into a bunch of fanatics and morons.

[fire_mountain_30]

This is correct though. Ideological pretense has been mostly dropped, supposed christian values and even libertarian darwinism kind of subsided in the face of trumpism (you argue personal responsibility and that libertarian stuff but trump paid out checks to everyone which is as crass of a violation of libertarian deficit worshipping ethic as there can be)

All that is left is owning the libs

do you mean the Covid-lockdown relief checks?

because that is like a 3-layered issue

[I3uster]

are you saying you wish the Left just outright behaved like the National Socialists or something?

(well, they do, but the specifics of the methodology are a bit different)

My historic example would be Austro-Keynesianism and the economic populism of the Kreisky years in Austria. The National Socialists were highly ideological, most of their actual pragmaticism comes from pure opportunity (they framed themselves as the chance for Austrians and Germans to break out of a 2 party deadlock between Christian Fascism and Socialism).

does that sound familiar

if you want a source half of my family lived under the nazis, male part was all in the wehrmacht

[Tobias]

Hey speaking of abuse of power that lawyer who was on the phone with trump on his Georgia call just was forced to resign from her law firm

[fire_mountain_30]

Man, you're bad at this, aren't you? Not even close. You're right about the Republicans being different, tho. The Conservative movement as a whole has steadily descended into madness, really starting with the 80's, but especially since Newt fucked the House and turned the Republican party into a bunch of fanatics and morons.

ok, so what was your early life like and what makes you think that it is the Right of today that are ideological control freaks?

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Hey speaking of abuse of power that lawyer who was on the phone with trump on his Georgia call just was forced to resign from her law firm

fairly certain that that was because she either allowed the call to me made public or she went against that one consent form that was pertinent to the methodology of the elections or possibly something along those lines.

or she was corrupt from even before this event and got caught, idk. feel free to prove that something improper happened from the Trump side to trigger the firing

[I3uster]

ok, so what was your early life like and what makes you think that it is the Right of today that are ideological control freaks?

I think the right of today is a bunch of grifters that believe in nothing, most of the trump cabinet stabbed him in the back or was backstabbed immediately. Analyzing it as an ideological project beyond "fuck the dems and the reps" is doomed to fail imo, and actual governance beyond miniscule details (which i have to admit to be fair are the small alterations to NAFTA and the stimulus check) would've been done the same if any other Republican was president.

Like if they actually went more in on the Tucker Carlson-esque "socialism but racist" angle I think you'd have like 20 years of uninterrupted Republican governance but it's mostly about lining your own pockets here.

[fire_mountain_30]

does that sound familiar

dont care about the circumstances by the books. i only care about the honesty at the top and at the ground level of the adherents to the belief

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I think the right of today is a bunch of grifters that believe in nothing, most of the trump cabinet stabbed him in the back

Like if they actually went more in on the Tucker Carlson-esque "socialism but racist" angle I think you'd have like 20 years of uninterrupted Republican governance but it's mostly about lining your own pockets here.

1- the "Right" arent the people in power. it is the people on the ground. and of course there are some grifters everywhere. everyone in the SQUAD voted for Pellosi needlessly despite being representatives from a very different faction within the party and are being attacked by their supporters for it. those Lefty people that got into power were grifters from the start

2- you think the Right of today is racist despite an ever increasing ammount of non-white voters?

3- so you are calling Tucker a grifter when I am saying that the people that were in power before are not to be trusted. you fail to see how that proves my point

[Tobias]

ok, so what was your early life like and what makes you think that it is the Right of today that are ideological control freaks?

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fairly certain that that was because she either allowed the call to me made public or she went against that one consent form that was pertinent to the methodology of the elections or possibly something along those lines.

or she was corrupt from even before this event and got caught, idk. feel free to prove that something improper happened from the Trump side to trigger the firing

she didn’t allow the call to go public, and consent for recording was not a factor. The Georgian official who was being pressured knew trump was going to try to pressure him to overt the will of his people so secretly recorded the call. This is legal as Georgian law does not require both parties to a conversation to consent to recording a conversation to protect oneself. When trump later started lying about the call, said official released the audio to the news to prove the truth of the matter

[I3uster]

dont care about the circumstances by the books. i only care about the honesty at the top and at the ground level of the adherents to the belief

I mean if you look at America I honestly think that you will see more honesty from the right then simply because they will tell you what they are while the democrats are market-centric third wayists that pretend they are woke leftists on a selective amount of issues, and that all that is keeping them from doing actual left wing things are the evil no good republicans and not their own ideology. So I can see how you get here.

What I can't see is how you think there is a way out because you already live in the "every man for himself" country.

If you live in America you are alone, institutions will not help you.

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1- the "Right" arent the people in power. it is the people on the ground. and of course there are some grifters everywhere. everyone in the SQUAD voted for Pellosi needlessly despite being representatives from a very different faction within the party and are being attacked by their supporters for it. those Lefty people that got into power were grifters from the start

She abstained, and if she's a grifter or not will show by her record. I've seen leftists skeptical of her and I've seen leftists that think she can do something. Only time will tell. By voting record you can for example see Bernie isn't one.

2- you think the Right of today is racist despite an ever increasing ammount of non-white voters?

my dad is not white and racist what does one have to do with the other

I'm not even opposed to economic isolationism, globalization has been kind of a fuckup for everyone involved who is not at the top. But calling immigrants rapists and shit doesn't fly with me, especially considering I have middle eastern heritage so while over there its mexicans over here we are the evil rapists that must be stopped.

i never raped anyone leave me alone

3- so you are calling Tucker a grifter when I am saying that the people that were in power before are not to be trusted. you fail to see how that proves my point

No, I think Tucker actually tries to get an ideological project off the ground that can never be adopted because the republican project, like the democractic project, is in the end a vector to get money into the hands of people that donate to either, and he directly violates it.

It is in a way admirable, it reminds me of the futility of the DSA trying to take over the dem party, and both need either a politician of the century to happen or are pure cope.

[fire_mountain_30]

Trump called the ILLEGAL MIGRANT VIOLENT GANG MEMBERS rapists.

if someone is not all of these things put together, odds are he was not insulting them.

if you are just an illegal migrant in any country, please just turn around and go through the legal process, as all countries on earth will force you to

[LegalLoliLover]

To be fair, right and left without any further context is ultimately meaningless. Right and left can be economics, socially, culturally... Basically, there's like 100 axes, so before saying "right" or "left", please clarify on which axis:

[fire_mountain_30]

No, I think Tucker actually tries to get an ideological project off the ground that can never be adopted because the republican project, like the democractic project, is in the end a vector to get money into the hands of people that donate to either, and he directly violates it.

It is in a way admirable, it reminds me of the futility of the DSA trying to take over the dem party, and both need either a politician of the century to happen or are pure cope.

exactly what do you think Tucker wants to do?

[I3uster]

yeah bro just gonna get my uncle a work permit while hes in islamist torture prison no biggie

[fire_mountain_30]

To be fair, right and left without any further context is ultimately meaningless. Right and left can be economics, socially, culturally... Basically, there's like 100 axes, so before saying "right" or "left", please clarify on which axis:

this motherfucking jackass just trolled RUSSIA TV

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yeah bro just gonna get my uncle a work permit while hes in islamist torture prison no biggie

I am sorry but i dont see your argument.

what do you want to do for your uncle and how does it relate to his current prisioner status and the immigration laws of the US?

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If you live in America you are alone, institutions will not help you.

literally the same everywhere in the world.

i am totally ok with this situation. just let me keep my money and dont rob me via the state and let me have the means to defend myself. Government is mostly useless in its current form anyway

[I3uster]

You are illegal until you get asylum status basically anywhere in the world my dude. What do you think a refugee is?

Immigration for financial reasons operates differently but the sentiment doesn't change at all, not like the US right wing is saying refugees are fine, they call us islamic terrorists instead (when those are the ones persecuting said refugees more often, in the case of Iraq with American military training courtesy of the principled right wing )

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literally the same everywhere in the world.

No. You do not know how much better other countries have it.

[Twelveseal]

ok, so what was your early life like and what makes you think that it is the Right of today that are ideological control freaks?

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fairly certain that that was because she either allowed the call to me made public or she went against that one consent form that was pertinent to the methodology of the elections or possibly something along those lines.

or she was corrupt from even before this event and got caught, idk. feel free to prove that something improper happened from the Trump side to trigger the firing

I will respond to this when I have the chance to get references. For now though, I work.

[fire_mountain_30]

No. You do not know how much better other countries have it.

1- no. a lot of countries have harsh immigration laws

2- here in Europe, it is only easier because of the fucking stupidity of the EU and them allowing people shipped in by literal traffickers that take advantage of the goodwill of the people, loopholes in international laws and activist judges and activists in general.

why do you think that there is an all-round shift for the EU contries to become more right wing, restrictive, nationalist and borderline xenophobic? because of the stupidity of the EU and their destructive agendas regarding migration.

3- oh, let me tell you. if my country would just go back to the migration laws of a decade ago, i would be a happy man. currently it is unaceptable and pritty much treasonous

[I3uster]

1- no. a lot of countries have harsh immigration laws

2- here in Europe, it is only easier because of the fucking stupidity of the EU and them allowing people shipped in by literal traffickers that take advantage of the goodwill of the people, loopholes in international laws and activist judges and activists in general.

why do you think that there is an all-round shift for the EU contries to become more right wing, restrictive, nationalist and borderline xenophobic? because of the stupidity of the EU and their destructive agendas regarding migration.

3- oh, let me tell you. if my country would just go back to the migration laws of a decade ago, i would be a happy man. currently it is unaceptable and pritty much treasonous

This was in reply to you saying institutions don't work anywhere.

Unions are enshrined by law here, I have 5 weeks of vacation plus an unlimited amount of sick days, a father month when I get a kid, free health care and I attend university for free. People just get rich by Americans not having these things (black 0 in the deficit before covid btw)

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The immigration "problem" could've easily been averted with better integrative policies but we did stupid muh blood and ground bullshit while also at the other time not stamping out actually worrying developments like the grey wolf stranglehold. Sentiment over here shifted more left though after Kurz 1 cuz they realized right wingers cant actually solve this, just complain about it