General News Thread

[Trubo]

i shouldn't pick on you because you didn't start this misinformation even in this thread but this is pretty hilarious how people are incapable of reading links. lol

cnn won't break out this exact question for you but the nyt will



even if that figure is correct we would have to interrogate registration switching but it's literally wrong, the question isn't about registration

What exactly is wrong here? Of the 35% of respondents that are registered Republican (aka conservatives), 93% of them voted for Trump and consider themselves Republicans.

[RoydGolden]

Organizations imply leadership. Name people in charge of the organization known as antifa. Oh, wait, there aren't any names because because antifa is a buzzword that fascists use to demonize anyone that critiques them.

Obviously it's foolish to paint Antifa as equivalent to far-right hate groups, but even a cursory search would show that there are people in real life who identify themselves using the term. It's not only used by fascists to demonize their opposition as you seem to be implying.

[LegalLoliLover]

Greatest trick the devil ever played.

[SeiKeo]

What exactly is wrong here? Of the 35% of respondents that are registered Republican (aka conservatives), 93% of them voted for Trump and consider themselves Republicans.

party self id isn't registration, very straightforward

[Trubo]

blah blah blah at least you didn't post that fucking video game Yellow Turban youtube link again but lol if I'm going to watch this one

And you still didn't answer the question.

[LegalLoliLover]

Obviously it's foolish to paint Antifa as equivalent to far-right hate groups

In terms of methods, no. In terms of motives, you might be right; you might be wrong; I might not care. If I get robbed, the miscreant's motives are irrelevant to me.

And you still didn't answer the question.

You said that the term Antifa was made up by fascists. This video proves you wrong. I post the facts. If you ignore them, I'm not going to market them to you.

[Trubo]

party self id isn't registration, very straightforward

Your point being what exactly? Red represents Trump voter, Blue represents Biden voter.

[SeiKeo]

Your point being what exactly?

that he's wrong lol

[Trubo]

You said that the term Antifa was made up by fascists. This video proves you wrong. I post the facts. If you ignore them, I'm not going to market them to you.

No, you said that. I said

Organizations imply leadership. Name people in charge of the organization known as antifa. Oh, wait, there aren't any names because because antifa is a buzzword that fascists use to demonize anyone that critiques them.

Gee, not one mention from me saying that fascists coined the term, only that they use it as a label against anyone that critiques them.

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Obviously it's foolish to paint Antifa as equivalent to far-right hate groups, but even a cursory search would show that there are people in real life who identify themselves using the term. It's not only used by fascists to demonize their opposition as you seem to be implying.

People can identify themselves however they want, but unless you show that an organization exists built around these identified people, then no such organization exists.

[AsGryffynn]

Yeah he did say that, on top of the fact he is talking about unity again in his speech even in all this mishmash while even some of his most staunch supporters say that he needs to fight back and worry about unity later.
Dude needs to see the writing on the wall. You got to be willing to fight, or step back for someone who will, period.

Uniting with the likes of Rand Paul and Mick Muvalney (the rare dovish GOPniks) is out of the question?

[LegalLoliLover]

because antifa is a buzzword that fascists use to demonize anyone that critiques them.

This gives off the impression that the word has no use besides.

[Trubo]

that he's wrong lol

How's he wrong, that the polls were wrong in attributing 35% of the respondents as registered Republicans, or using the vague term "conservative"?

Edit: Never mind, the mistake I'm making is assuming that the poll got some evidence that someone is registered to one party or another.

[SeiKeo]

How's he wrong, that the polls were wrong in attributing 35% of the respondents as registered Republicans, or using the vague term "conservative"?

I don't know how it's escaping you here that party ID is not registration

[AsGryffynn]

Ahahahaha... isn't the argument that he was chosen to appeal to moderates in both parties one that inherently implies this was going to happen from the beginning?

It's just that this happens to be what the Democratic Party's base finds to be most desirable, either tactically or in end performance. After all, he's basically what the majority of the party could agree on as the least controversial.

Perhaps reflecting this, AOC being AOC after the results are clear.

I don't like how combative she can be but, bloody hell. If I could become American in time to vote for her in 2024, I would. She's amazing!

[Trubo]

I don't know how it's escaping you here that party ID is not registration

Because I was conflating the 37%/35%/28% numbers of the pollsters somehow having on hand that X person was registered with Y party, the 94%/6%/54% numbers being self-identified Democrats and how they voted, and the 6%/93%/40% being self-identified Republicans and how they voted.

[asterism42]

BTW, can we get rid of the poll now? It really should've gone last year, when he was, y'know, actually impeached.

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[Ratman]

I'm going to reread this thread in three months and have a giggle. You are all really cocksure right now, after everything that happened throughout 2020 being completely out of the scope of anybody's imagination.

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Though I'll make a little comment. To me as a denizen of a young democratic country, it is interesting to observe how democracy degenerates. From what I can tell, the American elections of today seemingly run contrary to democratic principles, in the way that they are handled. That's not because of the specific mechanics of them being carried out, but rather because of how they are approached publicly (eg. in the media). Rather than being a means for the society to achieve a concensus , they're obviously instead a mechanism through which to divide and conquer the people. That's pretty interesting.

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Just observe how much mental energy you are really dedicating to social issues, if there is even anything there to think about between Biden and Trump having matching policies. Observe how focused you instead are on triggering/owning the libs and making drumpftards cope. This is not normal in a real democratic country. Since the macro-results are going to be the same anyway, and since you basically do have actual democracy at state level, one could argue that the whole of american electional process is a pointless theatre, if not for its usefulness in grounding and directing the energy of the mob to exhaust itself harmlessly.

[Ratman]

Basically it means nothing more or less than the government is concerned with security, and USA's continued existence, but does not truly represent the people. If there ever is a time that 95% of America is of an opinion that something should happen that cannot be done on state level, like 'hey let's not go to another stupid war', you can shove that opinion up your hundreds of millions of asses, because it did not come from the above. You're on rails. It was either going to happen in the first place, or it never will. Your agency will instead be focused on us vs. them even if they basically want the same thing as you this time.

Lots of people wanted the wall out of Trump, or more secure immigration policies. None of it happened, because it simply is not him calling those shots, the 'state' is. Biden proposes getting rid of student debt - you really think he could possibly be the guy calling THAT shot? It was either going to happen with Trump too, because who cares about more national debt at this point printer goes brrrr, or he's full of shit and it's his version of the wall.

tl;dr you're all larping that your opinions or observations on this election remotely matter

[LegalLoliLover]

Well, yes. As I said, presidents sooner or later realize that they don't have as much power as they or the people think they do.

[Ratman]

I'm not fence-sitting here, it's just that having an opinion on American elections in particular seems kind of pointless, like having an opinion on the story of porn. The tragedy is that there is such a thing as real democracy. You can say people are stupid and will make the country do stupid things if listened to, but the governing body is already doing incredibly stupid things anyway. The democratic government's job is to interpret people's stupid ideas into a compromise of some sort with their expert understanding, instead they're interpreting ideas of unelected state officials that are outside of their expertise anyway. You can say people are guillable and uneducated but that's because America made it that way, their education system sucks by design.

Americans used to have democracy at the highest level. Until they figure out why they no longer do, and a miracle happens that somehow changes that, their political opinions automatically become absurd to read, like a blind person criticizing your attire.