Fate/Grand Order Gameplay Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Kamera]

Even 1% per stars is enough honestly.

[Aozaki-desu]

they really need to add some sort of synergy between quick card type and np other than slightly more damage

[Rafflesiac]

Drain stars for gauge, hit count boost, star checks for overcharge

[GDB]

So, with anni around the corner, anyone wanna speculate what the next broken support will look like? It's probably going to be Quick, and the only thing Quick needs is a tool to enable looping that's not as painful as Skadi. Since I doubt we're getting Green Castoria and cards-give-np-directly has already been done, what other design space do they have to explore? Card manipulation maybe? Make any Servant green Artoria? Doubling down on crits perhaps? Something more outlandish, like brave chain buffs?

I still suspect a targetable version of Musashi's "double hit count", but also applies to NPs. Allows for more stars to generate for units that aren't outputting Jack-tier hit counts, and allows more to loop.

[Zork Knight]

Charges (target or party's) NP by an amount equal to your current amount of Critical Stars

[Deathhappens]

That's strictly worse than all currently existing chargers unless it has 0 cooldown or something. Maybe a passive if you go crazy enough though!

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An AoE charge passive sounds just about broken enough for a new meta support, and even then they would still need a strong kit built around it to be good.

[Rentenzen]

I saw a tweet mentioning something interesting about Amakusa's Extra Card. After a little more digging and from this link: https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv15071631 about calculating damage, I just now noticing that Amakusa's 7-hit Extra has a damage distribution of 9 + 18 + 27 + 9 + 18 + 27 + 46 = 154% compared to other Servants' Cards, which normally are 100% for 1-hit Cards or all add up to 100% for multi-hit Cards. I wonder if this has something to do with the update to his Extra attack, which used to have two different hit counts of 4 and 6.

EDIT:

Taking a guess here, but it seems they took the first three hits of Amakusa's original 4-hit Extra Card (of 9, 18, and 27, which add up to 54% then add the final 46% equating to 100%) then added the values of these hits to his now 7-hit Extra Card.

Additionally, Artoria (Alter) (Lancer) has a 3-hit Arts damage distribution of 33+33+51=117%.

Here is a Tweet that visually shows this from a while back that shows this:

[Trubo]

Guessing people already accounted for the Append Extra Card's Attack Up bonus. Wouldn't surprise me if there are weird issues for Extra cards, I remember Altera had one that had to be patched after she got her animation update.

[Kamera]

Not gonna lie, the new Mighty Chain thing is kind of busted.

[Trubo]

Wait, is Arc's NP SE multiplier based on NP level rather than OC? Think that would make her second to Euryale then.

[Pendant]

OC determines amount of NP doled out to living humans

[Petrikow]

Appmedia's rating on Lady Avalon, discuss.

[Rafflesiac]

Farming and CQs?

[Petrikow]

CQs left, farming right.

[DrStein]

That's kinda ridiculous. considering how much party charge she can get off with her NP.

[Trubo]

Appmedia's rating on Lady Avalon, discuss.

Not sure I'd rate her as high for CQs, but, fine enough.

That's kinda ridiculous. considering how much party charge she can get off with her NP.

You could apply that same logic to Merlin and Tamamo, yet they're not going to be the highest rated for farming because battery that's tied to their NP is largely worthless. Probably still better than both since it's possible for her to NP before the farmer NP even without a starting NP gauge CE, but, not by all that much.

[Pendant]

Appmedia's rating on Lady Avalon, discuss.

Overrated in CQs and probably more deserving of a B for farming. Their farming ratings make no sense btw, they have Constantine as a C for farming so tied with her. How is he equally as good as she is for farming? She's infinitely more useful for farming.

[Rafflesiac]

I assume that C just means "doesn't have an offensive NP."

[Pendant]

I assume that C just means "doesn't have an offensive NP."

Nah, bro. Go look at their site, that's not what they did. For instance they gave Reines a D rating for farming, which is lower than Constantine. I want someone to explain how that tracks.

[DrStein]

You could apply that same logic to Merlin and Tamamo, yet they're not going to be the highest rated for farming because battery that's tied to their NP is largely worthless. Probably still better than both since it's possible for her to NP before the farmer NP even without a starting NP gauge CE, but, not by all that much.

Between her passive, her charisma battery, and her third skill against 3 enemies, she can charge her NP from zero on turn one, unlike Tama and normal Merlin. And her charge per turn scales with NP level.

If nothing else, she can OC your DPS' Np turn one then give an extra five percent per turn without a CE or any other investment.


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How the hell is Reines D Tier? Even ignoring the massive amount of charge, her NP Gain Up is actually useful for looping.