Ishtar jacking the event from Gil was so dumb.
Ishtar jacking the event from Gil was so dumb.
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Next time it should be Herakles
So what's the deal with the origin of the Gemini twins? Were they gods during their time on the argo, but were downgraded to their forms in legends established by humans later on? Castor mentions that he hates humans the most because of this, but Pollux also says that she'll protect humans because Castor used to be one. Is this just a case of legends mixing with fact and altering memories?
From what I understand
Castor and Pollux were deified humans before the arrival of the Olympians (I think Pollux mentions they were once humans, both of them), the "Divine Twins" that feature in multiple mythologies
After the Olympian's arrival they got caught up in their legend, eventually becoming "children of Zeus" and then in the end "children of Leda, one by Zeus, one by Tyndareus"
IIRC also Caenis says Castor envied him in the Argo, and well, he died, so they must've been degraded by then
Jason is just THAT good at getting people to work for him
Ah, ok. So the Dioscuri were on earth before the original Olympians came and were known as the gods of Gemini. Then they died and were absorbed into the pantheon by way of becoming Zeus's children and instead became the twins who ascended to Gemini?
The dying part was last
Aboriginal Gods -> Absorbed into Olympian Pantheon -> Divinity degraded into demigod/mortal -> Adventure! -> Death -> Constellation
At least that's what I got
They might have been Gemini originally too, and it got attributed to Zeus later, but I dunno
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It's really interesting, but also really confusing. They became downgraded because of legends, but how can there be legends talking about their birth when they were heralded as gods? The explanation is probably a lot simpler than I'm making it out to be.
When i looked at the translation of the line, it seemed that pollux only mentioned castor being human instead of both of them. So i think both were probably just gods from the get got.Originally Posted by Zork Knight
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Oh, i was thinking about this one.
Then maybe i guess? Weird that pollux didn’t say they were both once human for this line.
"An ideal is only an ideal after all. As long as you embrace that ideal, the friction with reality will continue to increase. So you will someday face reality and will have to pay for your compromises"
Well Pollux is supposed to be a demi-god. Castor is the fully human one.
Going by their profile, is this way
But they were a single unnamed god with two bodies. Their names, Castor, Pollux, Dioscuri, Gemini, all came later by their incorporation on the Olympians mythos. Their association with St. Elmo's fire and Protectors of Voyagers also are attributes added later on
So this unnamed god would then go on to be absorbed into the mythos by way of being 'reborn' as children of Zeus and Leda, but would be downgraded as a result and only obtain their standing as true gods after their deaths?
I think this part was there before the Olympians ovetoook them, they talk about how their role was to protect humans.
Also fits with this https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Divine_twins
Represented as young men rescuing mortals from peril in battle or at sea[...]
The two brothers are generally portrayed as healers and helpers, travelling in miraculous vehicles in order to save shipwrecked mortals.
The profile actually specify that came from the book Argonautica
Book 2, 806
Basically, thanks/according to that book, people started to reverence them as protectors of sailors thanks to their deeds during the argo expeditionAnd besides that, to the sons of Tyndareus will I raise a lofty temple on the Acherusian height, which all sailors shall mark far across the sea and shall reverence; and hereafter for them will I set apart outside the city, as for gods, some fertile fields of the well-tilled plain."
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Unnamed god exist -> Olympians came -> people starts to told legends about them -> on those legends this unnamed god is refered as the Dioscuri -> they lose their original divinity and actually become the Dioscuri because of the widespread legend -> the rest goes as the tales says
The profile doesn't really touch upon is they really got reborn as mortals throught Leda or after losing their divinity they just play the role as you're asking
this is some 4D mythography shit
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Btw, what is the material that the twins' CE mentions that their weapons are made out of?
It's never mentioned why the puncher, who Jason even says is good at punching, has a fuckin sword. And that's awful.
I mean, if she's strong enough that her punches are scary, imagine what she'll do with a sword!
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To add, their CE also says Oddy's armour/NP and Achilles' shield/armour are made of the same stuff
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Agree -_-
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