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Thread: Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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    Kongming has the dumbest face, wow.


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    Holmes' interlude is extremely interesting. A lot of implications and some background lore about mystery.

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    making major story character as limited 5* is not a good civilization.

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    "Who summoned you in the first place, Holmes?"
    "Are you a god?"

    Yeah about that...the fans had quite some theories already lel.

    Also that Himalaya trip flashback with Helena, the connection between Jekyll and Moriarty, seigi no mikata Holmes...awesome shits.

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    Damn, they're really going that way LOL. I wonder when it will be revealed, LB6 or 7.

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    So...is QSH's interlude the very first time Sion rayshift to a singularity with us? Because her saying she'll join this time caught me offguard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    So...is QSH's interlude the very first time Sion rayshift to a singularity with us? Because her saying she'll join this time caught me offguard.
    As a side note, I'm wondering if there's anything about Surtr being linked to Sefar, since people have pointed to their similar skills and the Valkyries being connected to Sefar's corpse. Is there anything concrete regarding this?

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    How does having Holmes even let you have story-centric Holmes Interlude when the Holmes you've summoned is not the Holmes that appears in the story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratman View Post
    How does having Holmes even let you have story-centric Holmes Interlude when the Holmes you've summoned is not the Holmes that appears in the story?
    ... possession? I mean, that's how it went with Abby.

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    How does having Holmes even let you have story-centric Holmes Interlude when the Holmes you've summoned is not the Holmes that appears in the story?
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    It's how we could have summoned him and stuck him in our cellar archive back when he hasn't yet actually officially joined up with Chaldea. It's a different Holmes.

    It's the same thing with Musashi. Story Musashi is a planeswalker that randomly appears, you've summoned a different one that stays with you. Don't ask me how you get to keep yours when Musashi got blanked from the Throne because of what Jackass Musashi did, it just works.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Basically, since Story Holmes is now with you regardless, and you're having this conversation with him anyway, why does it matter for it to happen whether you've summoned a completely different one or not?

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    She didn't get blanked from the throne, just from Chaldea's records. Also at this point the whole "yeah you have your separate version that you summon and all" is just to appease a gameplay discrepancy and honestly I don't think it even applies to big story characters like musashi, da vinci, holmes etc.
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    real Koumei showed up, omg it's his trap!

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    emiya is triggered
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    he's also an ally of 'leafs'.

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    emiya is triggered
    But what if Gudao is not Justice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAM1232 View Post
    As a side note, I'm wondering if there's anything about Surtr being linked to Sefar, since people have pointed to their similar skills and the Valkyries being connected to Sefar's corpse. Is there anything concrete regarding this?
    So far those are similarities. We have no concrete information. I did saw some theories about Ymir was actually just Sefar and Surtr being Ymir's wrathful bunrei is similar to the Gigas being Sefar's bunrei.

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    I mean if Gram is proto-Caliburn which is the predecessor of Excalibur... caveman Saber in Scandinavia?

    It also would further tie Attila to Volsunga Saga/Nibelungenlied kinda

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    Quick summary of QSH's interlude. Correct me if I missed anything.

    - We have a brief scene of QSH (Xian body) talking to QSH (super computer), then it cuts to Chaldea where QSH suddenly rushes into Guda's room to announce that a singularity was found. It is set in the same era as QSH's rule.

    - Sion sensed something fishy from him due to how eager he is to go there and decided to rayshift to the singularity with us. We encounters a biohazard-like area in there, beat some ghosts, and beat a big ghost that is another QSH. Mission was surprisingly fast and nothing went wrong.

    - Guda and the gang return to Chaldea and Da Vinci, Sion and Holmes told Guda to take some rest. Once Guda left they began to interrogate QSH. They suspect that he was the one who created the artificial singularity.

    - QSH denies the charges, saying that while in his artificial Xian body he is a super lifeform, he cannot do something like that. Da Vinci believes that if he has his power from LB3, it would be very possible. To create a singularity like that via pure technology, one must first and foremost have the technology to rayshift. However there was no sign of Chaldea's rayshift being used by QSH to do that, this mean QSH somehow was able to obtain that technology. To do rayshift, you need 3 components: Animusphere theory, LAPLACE system and a supercomputer capable of insane calculation that rivals Trismegistus. The super computer body of QSH in the LB is capable of that.

    - Here's how QSH did it: in LB3 at one point the Shadow Border was captured and analyzed by LB QSH, who then created funky tanks base on it. However that was not the only thing he did, he actually managed to copy our backup data and used it to successfully perform rayshift and created several singularities. This happened in the first scene when two QSHs talk to each other. He did this just after we left the LB and before the LB disappears entirely.

    - Then after he got his singularities, he answered Guda's summoning request to manifest as a Chaldea's servant. Guda's QSH is the accomplice who works with the one in the LB (and since we can summon QSH even before LB, it doesn't matter when we summoned him, he only needs to be at Chaldea. The one at Chaldea then acts as the link to make Chaldea notice the singularities. When you rayshift to the past, you don't change history, especially a pruned history like that of a LB which cannot be changed, but by doing this you also rides on the flow of the compiled history - panhuman history is thus infiltrated by LB QSH. This allows the LB's history to be connected to panhuman history, and can be used as a trap or backdoor to attack panhuman history. This trap is similar to Goetia's trap back in the days, using seven singularities to attack the human order. QSH created a similar trap like Goetia with just his super computer and programs he copied from our vehicle.

    - Because of this betrayal, the team did not want Guda to know of this, that's why they told Guda to go rest. QSH explained that his plan is to create a sort of insurance. He believes that Guda will be the one to realize the longevity and future of the "people" but he's a politician so he doesn't want to rely on things like faith or chances. As the child of heaven, he cannot forgive the alien god for invading Earth. And with his role as Ruler, he decides to act as the arbitrator and guardian of the human order. He will continue to assist Guda. If Guda gets defeated, he will take over and rule panhuman history. If Guda defeats the alien god, then consider his plan to be no longer needed.

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    So there are several micro-singularities active in the world through which Deep Blue QSH navigates while waiting for his cue to reinstate the Chinese Lostbelt?

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