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Thread: Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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    I think Shi Huang already went through enough character development to allow this Plan B Megachina to have smartphones, but other than that, pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    Quick summary of QSH's interlude. Correct me if I missed anything.

    - We have a brief scene of QSH (Xian body) talking to QSH (super computer), then it cuts to Chaldea where QSH suddenly rushes into Guda's room to announce that a singularity was found. It is set in the same era as QSH's rule.

    - Sion sensed something fishy from him due to how eager he is to go there and decided to rayshift to the singularity with us. We encounters a biohazard-like area in there, beat some ghosts, and beat a big ghost that is another QSH. Mission was surprisingly fast and nothing went wrong.

    - Guda and the gang return to Chaldea and Da Vinci, Sion and Holmes told Guda to take some rest. Once Guda left they began to interrogate QSH. They suspect that he was the one who created the artificial singularity.

    - QSH denies the charges, saying that while in his artificial Xian body he is a super lifeform, he cannot do something like that. Da Vinci believes that if he has his power from LB3, it would be very possible. To create a singularity like that via pure technology, one must first and foremost have the technology to rayshift. However there was no sign of Chaldea's rayshift being used by QSH to do that, this mean QSH somehow was able to obtain that technology. To do rayshift, you need 3 components: Animusphere theory, LAPLACE system and a supercomputer capable of insane calculation that rivals Trismegistus. The super computer body of QSH in the LB is capable of that.

    - Here's how QSH did it: in LB3 at one point the Shadow Border was captured and analyzed by LB QSH, who then created funky tanks base on it. However that was not the only thing he did, he actually managed to copy our backup data and used it to successfully perform rayshift and created several singularities. This happened in the first scene when two QSHs talk to each other. He did this just after we left the LB and before the LB disappears entirely.

    - Then after he got his singularities, he answered Guda's summoning request to manifest as a Chaldea's servant. Guda's QSH is the accomplice who works with the one in the LB (and since we can summon QSH even before LB, it doesn't matter when we summoned him, he only needs to be at Chaldea. The one at Chaldea then acts as the link to make Chaldea notice the singularities. When you rayshift to the past, you don't change history, especially a pruned history like that of a LB which cannot be changed, but by doing this you also rides on the flow of the compiled history - panhuman history is thus infiltrated by LB QSH. This allows the LB's history to be connected to panhuman history, and can be used as a trap or backdoor to attack panhuman history. This trap is similar to Goetia's trap back in the days, using seven singularities to attack the human order. QSH created a similar trap like Goetia with just his super computer and programs he copied from our vehicle.

    - Because of this betrayal, the team did not want Guda to know of this, that's why they told Guda to go rest. QSH explained that his plan is to create a sort of insurance. He believes that Guda will be the one to realize the longevity and future of the "people" but he's a politician so he doesn't want to rely on things like faith or chances. As the child of heaven, he cannot forgive the alien god for invading Earth. And with his role as Ruler, he decides to act as the arbitrator and guardian of the human order. He will continue to assist Guda. If Guda gets defeated, he will take over and rule panhuman history. If Guda defeats the alien god, then consider his plan to be no longer needed.
    Is propensity to betrayal of trust just a male rulers thing or what? This fucking guy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    Is propensity to betrayal of trust just a male rulers thing or what? This fucking guy...
    Never trust a flat-chested judge, they said

    Now give Astrea an interlude where she judges the judges with her authority as the figure on the back of the card.

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    I find QSH plan to be reasonable, put a backup plan in case everything fails. It's not like he's planning to betray Guda once everything is over, he's basically making sure that, if they fail, that there's an alternative for him to follow so humanity still survives.

    It's quite refreshing that from all Lostbelt Kings there's still one that hasn't given up on his goals yet.

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    To be fair, Ivan and Skadi's Lostbelts were both nightmares born out of desperation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz1337 View Post
    I find QSH plan to be reasonable, put a backup plan in case everything fails. It's not like he's planning to betray Guda once everything is over, he's basically making sure that, if they fail, that there's an alternative for him to follow so humanity still survives.

    It's quite refreshing that from all Lostbelt Kings there's still one that hasn't given up on his goals yet.
    You see, it would be reasonable if not for the fact that he's a tyrant who pulls colony drops on his masses if one so much as attempt to have "ideas" or "education" and drugs his subjects so I don't think I would feel comfortable with him being a king again especially when his current body is immortal

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    The thing is, Shi Huang is a really graceful loser. He genuinely felt he was proven wrong when Jing Ke killed his main body, and his duel against immediately after was taken of confirmation of his mistake. In Shi Huang's head, the importance of clashing ideas and communication was proven through logic. Chaldea's loss here would mean they were also proven wrong about something, but it wouldn't make Shi Huang retroactively right about monopolizing knowledge. With all the character development he got at the end of SIN, I find it hard to think that his Planet China 2 would be pruning material.

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    I do believe he made singularities for experiments. In Ooku event it was said that if a large and dangerous enough singularity get to a certain point, it can even turn into something similar to a LB. He will conduct experiment from those (the singularity we cleared have the divergence point from his own ruling era), see which one can fit his new idealogy, then build his china planet 2.0 from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    To be fair, Ivan and Skadi's Lostbelts were both nightmares born out of desperation.
    Yeah, but both wanted their Lostbelts to survive. Skadi even fought us after helping us kill Surtr because with him gone she could finally grow her Lostbelt properly.

    That said we did get some info about Ivan thanks to his interlude to explain his current stance, but from Skadi the only thing I recall from Napoleon's interlude is that she has a trauma of the whole event since she lost Ophelia in it. And that's it. I really wish Skadi gets an interlude, because right now I feel she's the least interesting Lostbelt King IMO, with all we know about her (the mats not helping at all too).

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    I'm really curious for Holmes' interlude

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    Well now, I certainly wasn't expecting a reference to Edward Hardwicke, but it was very appreciated all the same!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz1337 View Post
    I find QSH plan to be reasonable, put a backup plan in case everything fails. It's not like he's planning to betray Guda once everything is over, he's basically making sure that, if they fail, that there's an alternative for him to follow so humanity still survives.

    It's quite refreshing that from all Lostbelt Kings there's still one that hasn't given up on his goals yet.
    Except this plan is the metaphysical equivalent of someone planting a bomb in your basement with the explanation that he's only going to detonate it if your house gets taken over by terrorists. Even if you fully trust him to do what he said, he still put a BOMB in your HOUSE.
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    anyone felt Sion was acting unusual towards Qin?

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    Also, I'm not sure I understand the plan- if Guda fails, Proper Human History goes byebye and the world's history has retroactively always been whatever Lostbelt's won, right? How will creating Singularities in Proper Human History enable him to backdoor Megachina into whatever Lostbelt wins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Except this plan is the metaphysical equivalent of someone planting a bomb in your basement with the explanation that he's only going to detonate it if your house gets taken over by terrorists. Even if you fully trust him to do what he said, he still put a BOMB in your HOUSE.
    Guda has always been a doormat with infinite tolerance for chronic backstabbers (Mephisto, Amakusa) and if Summer 2019 is any indication he'll even let his Servants go around killing innocents by the side, compared to that this is almost reasonable. It's not out of what little character he has to go along with people making questionable moves while still acknowledging them as trusted allies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Also, I'm not sure I understand the plan- if Guda fails, Proper Human History goes byebye and the world's history has retroactively always been whatever Lostbelt's won, right? How will creating Singularities in Proper Human History enable him to backdoor Megachina into whatever Lostbelt wins?
    As revealed in LB5, the whole LB plot was a lie. Its purpose was to prepare a body for the alien god to descend. Originally only LB5 was chosen due to its quality. The 6 other LBs were only added later on by Kirshtaria's demand. He told the alien god that he won't go with the plan unless his friends are also revived and given a fair chance.

    The alien god could not descend if the planet was not blanked, so the order of the blanking was backwards. Kirshtaria knew about this, so he tampered with the tree in LB5 which was supposed to be the alien god's body. He summoned Atlas inside said tree so that he can jam the descending of the alien god, then use the magic energy to turn all surviving humans on the planet into gods and use Atlas' ability to make LB the new texture. Plan failed, alien god still arrives, LB5 destroyed.

    So the blanking of the planet is actually more like freezing the time tree. singularities and such are still there, but they lie dormant and you can rayshift there to take them out (hence events like Ooku and Enmatei could happen). And the alien god did not need any LBs at all. Once it was done descending, it was about to consume the entire LB5 for a meal. Basically all LBs will eventually get wiped out by the alien god anyways, after it got the desired body. So it doesn't matter which one win, the strongest tree would become its body and it will feast on said winner too.

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    What are the odds the Alien God is a body-hopping space microorganism like Quetzalcoatl?

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